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Old 04-12-2007, 07:15 AM   #16 (permalink)

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Pure genius..

So I guess this means there are people here who just read the topic and respond without seeing what everyone else has said. I suppose it happens in every forum.
Yeah, who wants to "waste" time and read everything that everyone has said...geez
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Old 04-12-2007, 10:21 AM   #17 (permalink)

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By the way, I hope you find an end to you slight levels of emotional discomfort. I have heard some people suggest vast quantities of anime for treatment but it would seem you are already taking that advice.
Yes, the anime treatment does indeed lower levels of emotional discomfort, but it raises levels of pocketbook discomfort by a disproportionate amount.

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You hit that one on the head

The vast majority of people with six packs usually have underdeveloped corset muscles. They confuse a six pack with strength and stability. When I try to encourage them to do something other the crunch-based excersises they laugh. I tell them to develop the deeper muscles and 80% of the time these tools say something like, whats the point, you can`t see it.

That being said one of my friends is a kickboxer with an exceedingly strong core and a six pack. It doesn`t seem to affect his ability to take a hit. But when I asked him whether he thought it made him stronger he said no, its just so he feels good with his top off. Fair enough.
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Like body-buildng, breast enlargement, hair replacement for baldness, skin tanning, etc., I think it is more of a issue of vainglory than actual function.
Both good points. A lot of people don't get that when I lift weights, I'm not trying to grow huge muscles (I'm a pretty thin person, I think that a lot of really muscular people think that all thin people want to get enormous and bulky), I'm trying to develop a little more strength in my frame, mostly for my future health.

Regarding the six-pack, I've heard a couple of personal trainers say variations on the same thing. "For well-shaped abs, diet, rather than exercise, is your most important tool." As Spinach said, losing fat around your middle will probably produce a decent six-pack. The take that I have on food is to watch glycemic index (how easily your body can break a food down into energy).
Another thing to consider is stress. Stress can cause your body to store fat, especially in your belly. Eliminating stress is impossible (and would be unhealthy), but learning to manage your stress might actually help you lose body fat. Even if it doesn't, your heart will thank you.
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Another thing to consider is stress. Stress can cause your body to store fat, especially in your belly. Eliminating stress is impossible (and would be unhealthy), but learning to manage your stress might actually help you lose body fat. Even if it doesn't, your heart will thank you.
I don't mean to question your integrity, but the only place I ever heard this was on an infomercial selling miracle diet pills. So I'm not entirely convinced that it is true, just like all those colon cleansing products.
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I think stress can cause more body fat, from forming bad eating/consumption habits
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Old 04-12-2007, 03:40 PM   #20 (permalink)

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I don't mean to question your integrity, but the only place I ever heard this was on an infomercial selling miracle diet pills. So I'm not entirely convinced that it is true, just like all those colon cleansing products.
Nope, I'm not referencing the Relacore ads. I have actually read this in a couple of articles. It's not a for-sure thing (there is no such thing as "for-sure" in science), but a couple of studies have suggested it. The studies may not have gone fully into control of food intake, so MartialMan's take on it could hit the nail on the head. JAMA had an article that says that a number of patients linked their weight gain to distressed periods in their lives. These could easily be people who respond to distress by not eating right. Further, people who are stressed get less sleep and lower quality sleep, and sleep has been more definitively linked to weight issues.
On the other hand of the issue, offers for medications that are supposed to reduce cortisol, which adds belly fat, are not scientifically confirmed. Cortisol does increase belly fat, the meds are not confirmed to control cortisol or reduce belly fat, however.
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also my mom's doctor told her (as she is concerned about all the weight she put on during her divorce) that stress changes the insulin levels in the body and its sensitivity to insulin which makes you gain more weight... i don't remember all the details.
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All those reasons make sense to me. An indirect effect seems much more plausible.

Stress -> something else -> weight gain.
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All those reasons make sense to me. An indirect effect seems much more plausible.

Stress -> something else -> weight gain.
I agree. They all are factors, but my guess is that more eating, less physical activity, and less sleep are the biggest ones.

Also, I forgot to thank you for bringing up that point. I don't want people thinking that they can get their scientific info from commercials. (Ok, many Americans think they can, but I'd like to think that we're smarter 'round here)
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I agree. They all are factors, but my guess is that more eating, less physical activity, and less sleep are the biggest ones.

Also, I forgot to thank you for bringing up that point. I don't want people thinking that they can get their scientific info from commercials. (Ok, many Americans think they can, but I'd like to think that we're smarter 'round here)
Yeah, like such infomercials on medications, then at the end they list many side-effects........
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i got a sixpack, i think it helps you take pnches to the stomach, but if you get slapped there ouch ouch ouch.

(Also it helps you with the girls )
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What exercises can you do for your back to go with sit ups and twisters?
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dorsal raises, pec deck, push ups
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what's a pec deck? i haven't heard of that one
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What are dorsal raises?
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A pec dec is one of these



A dorsal raise is sort of the opposite of a sit up or a sit up for the back muscles

- Lying face down on the floor, place your hands next to your ears
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- Ensure you keep to this range of movement to avoid hyper extention
- Slowly lower your chest back to the floor

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