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I am the source, I work in a gym, its one of the first things you learn when advising people.
Yes, but have you done and read research studies, have you examined knees, are you an orthopedic surgeon?
I did a google search plus read some research studies and looked at orthopedic dr. websites with knee info, they are all saying the opposite. I have seen PT for knee replacement and surgery and a treadmill and elliptical are used because they are low impact.
I know that research is changing all the time, so I just want to see some sources that are showing what you are saying because everything I am finding says the opposite. And I always question things, so maybe a treadmill is worse for knees but I need to see some hard data, from multiple credible sources to believe it, otherwise its not proven to be true.
okay thats fair, everyone has different opinions, Ive spoken to the master trainers where I work, and they explained to me that the treadmill triples the pressure on your joints.
everyone has different sources, I just dont trust what I read on the internet so much, but it sounds like youve done your leg work (like the pun!)
Ive had a breif look on some running forums and the opinion seems to be split. some saying the best way to practice running is to run, while others talk about cross trainer and swimming as alternatives.
on the whole Id say running outside in the grass is the best thing to do, acctual running is a lot harder and better training than a treadmill.
okay thats fair, everyone has different opinions, Ive spoken to the master trainers where I work, and they explained to me that the treadmill triples the pressure on your joints.
everyone has different sources, I just dont trust what I read on the internet so much, but it sounds like youve done your leg work (like the pun!)
Ive had a breif look on some running forums and the opinion seems to be split. some saying the best way to practice running is to run, while others talk about cross trainer and swimming as alternatives.
on the whole Id say running outside in the grass is the best thing to do, acctual running is a lot harder and better training than a treadmill.
yea, i dont trust the internet either. i usually go to my colleges article database when I look up research because sources like wikipedia are so bad.
And yes, i agree that running on grass is the best. I do not get the same workout on a treadmill. But I do get knee problems from concrete but not the treadmill. I generally cross train, which I believe is the best and do a mix of running/treadmill, swim, bike, and elliptical. I alternate days. I thinks its the best way to avoid injury.
Thanks GoddeBPM, great site. But I gotta say for the rest of you, I asked for the studies and I see no studies, just more of a, "yeah dude, don't worry about it, I know what I'm talking about," kinda thing. No real offense intended, cause I know I'm being mildly lazy for not finding the studies it sounds like are out there. well thanks all for the input, will have to put that in consideration.
Running can be bad on the knees, lower back, ankles, shins...yes, all this is true. A lot of this has to do with form and posture, surface, and footwear. But the most critical factor for prolonged wear and tear is frequency and duration. Running everyday for 45 minutes is going to cause you some problems most likely later in life. And for martial arts training, jogging (running in an aerobic state) is not that useful anyway. You should be doing HIIT type of training, intervals of high intensity for shorter periods of time. So you should be sprinting, then walking, then sprinting, then walking for like 20-25 minutes. This will get you better results and have less impact on your joints and you don't need to do it everyday.
As for equipment, the treadmills today are NOT a hard surface, they have cushioning mechnisms in them that absorb impact and would be far better than running on the street (but about as good as a good track). Elliptical machines are zero impact when used correctly and as a result are easier on the joints but not as "taxing" usually on the body overall (it's very hard to simulate full sprinting on an elliptical machine).
And to qualify myself, I worked in a gym for a while and was studying for my PT certification.
Running can be bad on the knees, lower back, ankles, shins...yes, all this is true. A lot of this has to do with form and posture, surface, and footwear. But the most critical factor for prolonged wear and tear is frequency and duration. Running everyday for 45 minutes is going to cause you some problems most likely later in life. And for martial arts training, jogging (running in an aerobic state) is not that useful anyway. You should be doing HIIT type of training, intervals of high intensity for shorter periods of time. So you should be sprinting, then walking, then sprinting, then walking for like 20-25 minutes. This will get you better results and have less impact on your joints and you don't need to do it everyday.
As for equipment, the treadmills today are NOT a hard surface, they have cushioning mechnisms in them that absorb impact and would be far better than running on the street (but about as good as a good track). Elliptical machines are zero impact when used correctly and as a result are easier on the joints but not as "taxing" usually on the body overall (it's very hard to simulate full sprinting on an elliptical machine).
And to qualify myself, I worked in a gym for a while and was studying for my PT certification.
Thank for that info Joe.
From reading it, I didn't think it was neccessary to point out a qualification. IMHO
Running can be bad on the knees, lower back, ankles, shins...yes, all this is true. A lot of this has to do with form and posture, surface, and footwear. But the most critical factor for prolonged wear and tear is frequency and duration. Running everyday for 45 minutes is going to cause you some problems most likely later in life. And for martial arts training, jogging (running in an aerobic state) is not that useful anyway. You should be doing HIIT type of training, intervals of high intensity for shorter periods of time. So you should be sprinting, then walking, then sprinting, then walking for like 20-25 minutes. This will get you better results and have less impact on your joints and you don't need to do it everyday.
As for equipment, the treadmills today are NOT a hard surface, they have cushioning mechnisms in them that absorb impact and would be far better than running on the street (but about as good as a good track). Elliptical machines are zero impact when used correctly and as a result are easier on the joints but not as "taxing" usually on the body overall (it's very hard to simulate full sprinting on an elliptical machine).
And to qualify myself, I worked in a gym for a while and was studying for my PT certification.
Joe I cant +rep you but you def hit the nail on the head. Martial artists should push their anaerobic threshold and interval training (getting your heart rate above 80%) is key.
On the shoe side of things. I think New Balance has the game locked down. I've started to run a lot since I seperated my shoulder. I was wearing some really old shoes. My feet were aching. Went out bought a 70 dollar pair of New Balances, I really wasnt picky, and havent had a single pain since. I can feel the cushion with each step. If you really want to make the sales person work they will custom fit your shoe, although the stock model is just fine for most people (as we generally arent hardcore runners). Personally I run half a mile warmup then a full mile as fast as I can. My goal is to get under a six minute mile.
Also ellipticals are no where near full range of motion. Go as fast as you can for as long as you can on one, then do the same thing on a treadmill. The mileage will be vastly different. Unless you have knee problems stay away from these machines.
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Running everyday for 45 minutes is going to cause you some problems most likely later in life. And for martial arts training, jogging (running in an aerobic state) is not that useful anyway. You should be doing HIIT type of training, intervals of high intensity for shorter periods of time. So you should be sprinting, then walking, then sprinting, then walking for like 20-25 minutes. This will get you better results and have less impact on your joints and you don't need to do it everyday.
This is what we do in our dojo. We do windsprints every day though. Then after the windsprints, we jog for 5 minutes around the dojo. This is to warm up and get the blood going....Of course, stretching comes first....and last.
Is running/jogging bad for you?
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