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Maybe you should learn some ettiquette. Respecting others achievements on face value until proven otherwise is not naive, it's standard martial arts courtesy.
Ettiquette only goes so far as to what is actually being claimed as a achievement.
That said, martial arts courtesy is as far as people who merely accept things without question or discussion.
In other words,, as with any subject, people can disagree or not like something.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
As far as I'm concerned, you have no rank until proven otherwise - not rank until disproven.
I wonder why you felt the need to greet Takeshi? 47MartialMan maintains no rank - he doesn't even declare any styles, yet even a small post from him warrants that he is very knowledgable on the subject - it could be argued that he is the most knowledgable on the Martial-Forums... So why did you not feel the need to greet 47MartialMan?
Go to Takeshi's website - he demonstrates his own courtesy there...
__________________ "Tradition comes from when a master realises a truth, then teaches it to others; his source was the world around him. The tradition begins when students follow the doctrine but fail to see the truth it teaches. Martial Arts, like religion, are now the gospel.
So I assert; Seek not to follow in the footsteps of great men, but seek that which they themselves had sought." Magister, on the Eskirmological Law of Institutionalisation
You're right. But is logical truth really opposition? It is only opposition to those who don't want to challange nor question their beliefs.
It seems that people create their own opposition, seeing you as opposition is merely incidental...
__________________ "Tradition comes from when a master realises a truth, then teaches it to others; his source was the world around him. The tradition begins when students follow the doctrine but fail to see the truth it teaches. Martial Arts, like religion, are now the gospel.
So I assert; Seek not to follow in the footsteps of great men, but seek that which they themselves had sought." Magister, on the Eskirmological Law of Institutionalisation
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47MartialMan beat me to it...
As far as I'm concerned, you have no rank until proven otherwise - not rank until disproven.
I wonder why you felt the need to greet Takeshi? 47MartialMan maintains no rank - he doesn't even declare any styles, yet even a small post from him warrants that he is very knowledgable on the subject - it could be argued that he is the most knowledgable on the Martial-Forums... So why did you not feel the need to greet 47MartialMan?
Go to Takeshi's website - he demonstrates his own courtesy there...
I greeted Takeshi for two reasons.
Firstly when I logged on the introductions forum his thread was in the last ten to be commented on all of which I checked up (47Martial Man's introduction thread was not in this group).
Secondly and more importantly I am interested in ninjutsu because I know so little of it and yet have met so many people with opinions on it. I thought mayhaps a person with as much experience as Takeshi would be able to enlighten me on the subject.
Last edited by Them's Fighting Words; 08-20-2008 at 07:55 PM.
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I greeted Takeshi for two reasons.
Firstly when I logged on the introductions forum his thread was in the last ten to be commented on all of which I checked up (47Martial Man's introduction thread was not in this group).
Secondly and more importantly I am interested in ninjutsu because I know so little of it and yet have met so many people with opinions on it. I thought mayhaps a person with as much experience as Takeshi would be able to enlighten me on the subject.
Ah, ok.
Careful, Takeshi may not have the much expereince you seek....
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
I greeted Takeshi for two reasons.
Firstly when I logged on the introductions forum his thread was in the last ten to be commented on all of which I checked up (47Martial Man's introduction thread was not in this group).
Secondly and more importantly I am interested in ninjutsu because I know so little of it and yet have met so many people with opinions on it. I thought mayhaps a person with as much experience as Takeshi would be able to enlighten me on the subject.
Sounds logical to me.
Like 47MM said, perhaps you should seek enlightened people from whom to learn enlightenment. What evidence do you have of Takeshi's experience?
__________________ "Tradition comes from when a master realises a truth, then teaches it to others; his source was the world around him. The tradition begins when students follow the doctrine but fail to see the truth it teaches. Martial Arts, like religion, are now the gospel.
So I assert; Seek not to follow in the footsteps of great men, but seek that which they themselves had sought." Magister, on the Eskirmological Law of Institutionalisation
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Sounds logical to me.
Like 47MM said, perhaps you should seek enlightened people from whom to learn enlightenment. What evidence do you have of Takeshi's experience?
As much evidence as I have for his lack of experience. I do not blindly believe everything Takeshi says of himself (this is the internet afterall) but I am never rude when making a formal introduction.
Questioning is the only way one can gain an answer, insulting does not tend to work. Just because I pose a question doesn't mean I will accept the answer as doctrine. The way Takeshi answers the question I pose will also give me more of an indicator of his ability and attitude.
As much evidence as I have for his lack of experience. I do not blindly believe everything Takeshi says of himself (this is the internet afterall) but I am never rude when making a formal introduction.
Questioning is the only way one can gain an answer, insulting does not tend to work. Just because I pose a question doesn't mean I will accept the answer as doctrine. The way Takeshi answers the question I pose will also give me more of an indicator of his ability and attitude.
But wasnt it your view to accept things until unproven?
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
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But wasnt it your view to accept things until unproven?
Yes, it is. I accept a fellow martial artist's statements as true until proven otherwise. However, acceptance does not negate the need for future investigation. If one doesn't investigate a claim then it can never be proven nor disproven. It may be a matter of semantics but to me "accepting" and "knowing" are not one and the same thing.
Also, this is Takeshi's introduction posting so even if I were to disagree with him (or consider him an outright fool), I would do so in another post. It's just my code of ettiquette.
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Yes, it is. I accept a fellow martial artist's statements as true until proven otherwise. However, acceptance does not negate the need for future investigation. If one doesn't investigate a claim then it can never be proven nor disproven. It may be a matter of semantics but to me "accepting" and "knowing" are not one and the same thing.
Also, this is Takeshi's introduction posting so even if I were to disagree with him (or consider him an outright fool), I would do so in another post. It's just my code of ettiquette.
Good point, but limited.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Location: My location is so secret, I don't even know where I am.
Styles: My style is so deadly that even to read its name would kill you!
Posts: 1,007
Home Country:
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Originally Posted by 47MartialMan
Good point, but limited.
All forms of ettiquette place limitations upon us. That is the point of ettiquette. I accept that my ettiquette may force limitations upon me that can blind me to useful truths but until I have found an alternate way of social interaction then I must continue along my current path.
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