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First of all id like to say hi, im new to the forum, im very interested in aikido.
iv researched about it and i still am , but i have a problum. A book i have by one
of O-Sensei's students says "essentialy a martial artist is a samari"
i watched the last samari the dvd extras and theres a section
called history vs. hollywood, and this guy said that "face it samari were the bad guys and actually the japanese that conformed into millitary from samari were good.
how can this be??
Last edited by living in the way; 06-14-2007 at 04:18 AM.
I have a feeling that I know what you are confused about, but I would like to confirm.
What exactly is it that does not tie up for you?
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I have a feeling that I know what you are confused about, but I would like to confirm.
What exactly is it that does not tie up for you?
my views and understanding are that samari where old world warriors, who where noble and honorable, yea theres wasnt a strong goverment at theses times, and yes women wernt aloud to fight but they still had rights.
samari are sometimes viewd as bad??
it wasnt that they where bad it was just the time period of the world.
and this other guy says that some samari are homosexuals, that may be but the point is even though some samari were samari dosnt mean they wernt their own person an individual, point being is that yea they were samari but they were still a person why would you associate all samari being gay??? some people are homosexual and some are not its a individual thing not a group thing so its wrong to say all samari are homosexuals when its not true and im pretty sure
that there wernt many homosexual samari, sex wasnt a priority.
all armies are homosexual, and are judged because of it, Roman army was the first great army to conquer europe, its soldiers where homosexual, In fact the romans and greeks didnt have homo and hetro sexual labels, anyway my point is ignore stuff like that, when you get many soldiers away from thier wifes for a long time you will get homosexuality, we will leave it at that it means nothing on thier honour.
There is no good guys and bad guys, I am ninjutsu practitioner, a traditional enemy of the samurai but I still respect thier honour, there was no good and bad, there was only war, victors and loosers.
unfortunately the victors write the history books, the samurai didnt get a chance to write thier own history
have faith in the samurai, they were some of the last free spirited warriors before military standards got involved. and the films cannot be trusted remember films are made for one purpose to sell and make money. its nothing to do with the truth
First of all id like to say hi, im new to the forum, im very interested in aikido.
iv researched about it and i still am , but i have a problum. A book i have by one
of O-Sensei's students says "essentialy a martial artist is a samari"
i watched the last samari the dvd extras and theres a section
called history vs. hollywood, and this guy said that "face it samari were the bad guys and actually the japanese that conformed into millitary from samari were good.
Samurai were wack. They were puppets and didnt think for themselves at all. Yes they could fight well but they were so idealistic that the real world just passed them by.
Wackness is not a virtue.
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Samurai were wack. They were puppets and didnt think for themselves at all. Yes they could fight well but they were so idealistic that the real world just passed them by.
Wackness is not a virtue.
true but serving your master is
otherwise you wouldnt be a very good christian would you drallig
Hmmm...
Samurai were bad because they followed orders unquestionably. (Which they didn't, but we'll go with that line of thought for a moment)
Jarheads are called such because they are taught to obey, not think.
Anyone else drawing the same conclusion?
(Note: I actually have quite a bit of respect for all of America's armed forces. They can do things that I couldn't, and I applaud them for that. I was making a point regarding a particular statement, not slamming any soldiers we've got in here)
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there are no homosexual samurai there are no homosexual armys only homosexual people, if 1 samurai is homosexual dosnt mean all samurai are homo sexual and one of O-sensei's students said that all martial artist are essentialy samurai. im not a homosexual far from it so to every one here that puts down samurai maybe youv learned nothing from the art that wich you practice. people say that samurai are homo's and they are bad and not honorable look at todays armed froces and lack of ellegance, honor, truth, justice. agin their are no homo sexual samurai there are no homosexual armys
only homosexual people. sex wasnt prioity in thoses day's so if some samurai where homosexuals there wernt many.
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i think the point that was tryin to be made was that there were some gay samurai,
some were corrupted.....an they also were very crafty an used the arts of deception and subterfuge to carry out thier missions
so basically.....they werent too much different than Ninja for example....or Persian Warriors
hollywood misconceptions and Japanophilia tends to always paint the picure that Samurai were all noble an flawless an when they carried out their missions
they didnt use whatever means neccessary to win
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im confused please help if you can
im confused please help if you can 
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