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Old 06-06-2008, 03:35 AM   #31 (permalink)

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What about training in katas and out-dated or bladed weapons?
Even with Kata training you can have certain skills that are effective. But one thing that Karate practioners say is that Bunkai (Kata application) is very important, which is is. But still if someone learns to move off the line and cover and also practises getting power with strikes through timing then it will have an effect on someone.
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Old 06-06-2008, 10:04 AM   #32 (permalink)

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Even with Kata training you can have certain skills that are effective. But one thing that Karate practioners say is that Bunkai (Kata application) is very important, which is is. But still if someone learns to move off the line and cover and also practises getting power with strikes through timing then it will have an effect on someone.
Well it can be said, there exist pros and cons to every subject.
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Old 06-06-2008, 01:50 PM   #33 (permalink)

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Judo concentrates more on throws and trips (unless your club does newaza) so its stronger in that area than BJJ.

BJJ concentrates more on the actual ground work and submissions so is stronger there.

Also Judo dont really do guard/fight of their back!

In my opinion if you want the best of both worlds then do submission grappling becouse its like Freestyle Wrestling, BJJ and judo put together.
judo focuses on grappling just as much as it does on throws.

in judo there are many guard submissions, and back possition submissions.
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Old 06-06-2008, 02:00 PM   #34 (permalink)

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judo focuses on grappling just as much as it does on throws.

in judo there are many guard submissions, and back possition submissions.
I have heard that submission grappling is just bjj with no gi.
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I have heard that submission grappling is just bjj with no gi.
To an extent there are some other setups from arts such as sambo incorporated.
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Old 06-06-2008, 02:07 PM   #36 (permalink)

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To an extent there are some other setups from arts such as sambo incorporated.
Yeah, I think of BJJ as Judo with a concentration on submission and Submission Grappling as wrestling with a concentration on submission.
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I have heard that submission grappling is just bjj with no gi.
well i dont quite get what you mean but,

we train straight submission as well.

at my dojo, we spar like this,
start from standing position, and you know see who can throw the other man down, and we teach to follow every throw to the ground in a position on your oppenent, then you go for submission. you win either by submission, or if your oppent gives up from being thrown.

we rarely start a match already on the ground. is this what you mean?
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well i dont quite get what you mean but,

we train straight submission as well.

at my dojo, we spar like this,
start from standing position, and you know see who can throw the other man down, and we teach to follow every throw to the ground in a position on your oppenent, then you go for submission. you win either by submission, or if your oppent gives up from being thrown.

we rarely start a match already on the ground. is this what you mean?
No they are talking about specifically submission wrestling as a style. It's different then straight bjj or Judo or sambo or wrestling.
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No they are talking about specifically submission wrestling as a style. It's different then straight bjj or Judo or sambo or wrestling.
oh ok.
what is it?
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Could it be said that judo is a type of wrestling?
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oh ok.
what is it?
It's basically what was orginally called cath as catch can wrestling. It's wrestling with points awarded for take downs pins and submissions

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Yes, in fact there are four styles that are considered to be what wrestling actually is; Free Style/Folk Style, Greco Roman, Sambo and Judo. You can call any one of these styles wrestling.
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Yes, in fact there are four styles that are considered to be what wrestling actually is; Free Style/Folk Style, Greco Roman, Sambo and Judo. You can call any one of these styles wrestling.
Thanks Tri. but i was looking for a answer from the relfections of a Judoka on the board.
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Thanks Tri. but i was looking for a answer from the relfections of a Judoka on the board.
technically speaking it is a type of wrestling.
and it also has wrestling heritage(i dont know if heritage was the best word to define what i was trying to say)
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technically speaking it is a type of wrestling.
and it also has wrestling heritage(i dont know if heritage was the best word to define what i was trying to say)
I think thats a perfect way to put it.
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Judo is a form of grappling, which can be considered as wrestling.

To answer the OP's question, like many others have said, it will depend on the practioners. Seeing a few videos on youtube typically aren't useful to make a decision as you may have seen only a fraction of the total amount of practioners. The idea of judo beats BJJ or karate beats TKD, or whatever combinations you want, to me, seem pointless. You're in the martial art to learn in some way, become fit, or whateverother reason. Focus on yourself instead of questions such as X art beats Y art.
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