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Old 04-10-2008, 04:44 PM   #1 (permalink)

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unsu + bunkai

I think very impressive! What are your thoughts?

Its Shotokan style and they are ages 11 11 and 10.

I am starting Karate on saturday purely to keep fit and also help keep my boy interested

YouTube - unsu + bunkai
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Very nice kata. Excellent demonstrations of technique, timing, and form. I'm impressed.


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Old 04-18-2008, 07:40 PM   #5 (permalink)

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You have a good eye Souldrum hehe

They performed that kata in competition and were selected to represent Britain in Greece later this year only for a letter to arrive in the post saying that because they were under 14 they cannot travel to Greece for insurance purposes or some crap like that. So the team that finished second will automatically take there place which stinks. The boys are gutted and rightly so!

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3 competitions next month so the clubs polishing up on kumite and My boy is being unleashed atlast with a pair of gloves on. I didnt actually know that my boy had being doing as much kumite as he has been doing and i was quite surprised at the training session.

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I liked their stances throughout. The timing was a bit off from what I'm used to, but that's usually the teaching, and not the practitioner. While impressive, I failed to see what doing the splits on the last bunkai had to do with the kata. In fact, the last 2 bunkai I could not find in the kata at all, especially at the points where they were demonstrated. Maybe I'm missing something?
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This is the point where my complete lack of knowledge of karate comes in so all i can say is dont shoot the messenger I will have another look at it but im sure some of the moves from the kata are incorporated into the bunkai.
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Yes, I believe the kid does a rising block and a punch, which ARE the last two moves in the kata, but the splits are not in it at all. In fact, it's a zenkutsu dachi with a rising block and a right reverse punch.

BUT, there are hidden moves in EVERY kata. Some things are not quite as clear, which is why I asked if I was missing something. If I am, I apologize.
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Bunkai (分解, Bunkai?), literally meaning "analysis" or "disassembly", is a term used in Japanese martial arts referring to the application of fighting techniques extracted from the moves of a "form" (kata).

Bunkai is usually performed with a partner or a group of partners which execute predefined attacks, and the student performing the kata responds with defenses, counterattacks, or other actions, based on a part of the kata. This allows the student in the middle to understand what the movements in kata are meant to accomplish. It may also illustrate how to improve technique by adjusting distances, time moves properly, and adapt a technique depending on the size of an opponent. Some kata have another layer of application that is taught using an Oyo Bunkai.[citation needed] Different practitioners will learn or discover alternative applications, but the bunkai, like the kata, varies based on the style and the teacher.

A single kata may be broken into anywhere from a few to a few dozen applications, and the same sequence of kata moves may sometimes be interpreted in different ways resulting in several bunkai. Some martial arts require students to perform bunkai for promotion.

Bunkai can be obvious or elusive depending on the technique in question, the moves preceding and following it, and the individual practitioner. There are usually many stages of depth of comprehension of bunkai only reached through the passage of time. The terms toridai and himitsu are used to refer to techniques not readily seen to the casual observer and hidden techniques within kata.[citation needed] For example, in Gōjū-ryū karate, two-man kata training is used to reinforce bunkai and correct technique.[citation needed] If techniques in the kata are not performed correctly they will not be effective in two man training.


In kinda know what Bunkai is but to clarify i put it into google and the above was the result. Now i am even more confused..... maybe they added some bits to make it more fun?

I think thats immaterial all that matters is you liked it.

What i do know is that they performed that kata and bunkai at the British open and got gold which means they will represent Britain in the European champs next year or they would have if they were not too young Minimum age is 14 so the 2nd placed team will go.

Thats one thing they could do without and thats all the politics involved within karate.

This sounds like im praising you just because you gave praise but im not, I watched your Bassai Dai last night and i was really impressed, forgive me but before when i criticized your Unsu i didnt realise it was a different style of Karate you practise. It seems like a cross betwwen shotokan and shoto-ryu. The power of shotokan and the grace of shoto-ryu but then i could be completely wrong. Also taking your height into consideration as it has to be harder for a taller person to perform kata as originally it was made for shall we say smaller people.
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In kinda know what Bunkai is but to clarify i put it into google and the above was the result. Now i am even more confused..... maybe they added some bits to make it more fun?
It's possible, but I would think that they added them to make it flashier for competition purposes. Impressive though no matter why they did it.

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I think thats immaterial all that matters is you liked it.
Actually, all that matters is that their sensei and the judges like it. My opinions are not really relevant.

[quote=Captain_fantastic;82767]What i do know is that they performed that kata and bunkai at the British open and got gold which means they will represent Britain in the European champs next year or they would have if they were not too young Minimum age is 14 so the 2nd placed team will go.
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They will be better off for it and hopefully will come back and do it again when they are old enough. If they're that good, they should have no problems. I saw a few mistakes (or differences), but they should be able to do it.


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This sounds like im praising you just because you gave praise but im not, I watched your Bassai Dai last night and i was really impressed, forgive me but before when i criticized your Unsu i didnt realise it was a different style of Karate you practise. It seems like a cross betwwen shotokan and shoto-ryu. The power of shotokan and the grace of shoto-ryu but then i could be completely wrong. Also taking your height into consideration as it has to be harder for a taller person to perform kata as originally it was made for shall we say smaller people.
Actually, I'll help you out a bit here. If you go to my website, and click on the "Our Style" link, you can see the lineage of our system. Our system looks similar to Shotokan because they have very similar roots. Toyama and Funokoshi were the same "rank" and were both granted the title of "Protege" under Itosu. Now, Toyama trained under Itosu after Funokoshi had left to do his own thing. Our system also has a lot of Chinese influence in it as well. Yes, it is difficult at 6'4" to compete in tournaments against smaller people doing the same kata, but....I just have to get deeper in my stances. At least thats what my instructor (who is 5'3") told me. LOL I haven't decided whether or not to ad more kata to my youtube yet. I probably will, but it may be a little while.
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I will have a look at that when i get home Thanks
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