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Ive been given so many opposing arguments, I cannot answer all of them individually.
your making these arguments as though ninujutsu is a solid readable thing, talking about tribes and lineages for generations, it seems like your actually forgetting what martal arts is about, its not about naming people, giving them titles, like ninjas and samurai, its about fighting, mind, body and spirit. I get sick to death of all this 'ninja tribes' and lineage rubbish, can you give me any solid proof of a ninja lineage? Truly is there any proof of any lineage in most martial arts, the fact is lineages dont really matter, Im all for studying the history of the martial arts but basing an argument on highly subjective 'facts' is stupidity.
If people want to call themselves ninja thats perfectly fine Im merely giving my opinion.
Ninja, samurai, shaolin monks, thery are just names and titles, they do nothing for anyone, and as I said, a waste of time.
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i dont see how names and titles is a waste of time....your blowing things out of proportion. names an titles is a useful way to label or identify something.
the thread starter wanted to know what terms are used for people who practice ninjutsu.
lineage can also be useful. like what Joe was saying about BJJ lineage for instance, it gives someone an idea of what kinda training they have or give and how legit they are in the BJJ world.
with ninjutsu.....i find lineage useful. ninjutsu whether your Ex kan, Iga, or Koga is made up of different schools or ryuhas
when you progress and advance through the kyu grades, each school has a certain criteria to be met before one is granted a Shodan BB or a instructor license in these arts.
your Shidoshi's lineage should come into play as to whether he or she is qualified by way of the Soke of particular school.
when looking at Soke's credentials, Soke has thier records of who they inherited thier art from an so on an so forth
thats where lineage becomes useful......its better than having some nut come out and say hey im a grandmaster ninja of the Plum-Flower clan an teach some bs crap which is little more than a mixture of cheap kenpo and tkd with aikido and wing chun
an dont have no records or license to state what they are doing is real.
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“You could do this same technique with a knife. Just keep it hidden. Don’t go swinging it around. We’re not yakuza here.”
“Don’t make the other person your opponent. If you do that, you lose your awareness to other people. Taijutsu is not just one on one.”
i dont see how names and titles is a waste of time....your blowing things out of proportion. names an titles is a useful way to label or identify something.
the thread starter wanted to know what terms are used for people who practice ninjutsu.
lineage can also be useful. like what Joe was saying about BJJ lineage for instance, it gives someone an idea of what kinda training they have or give and how legit they are in the BJJ world.
with ninjutsu.....i find lineage useful. ninjutsu whether your Ex kan, Iga, or Koga is made up of different schools or ryuhas
when you progress and advance through the kyu grades, each school has a certain criteria to be met before one is granted a Shodan BB or a instructor license in these arts.
your Shidoshi's lineage should come into play as to whether he or she is qualified by way of the Soke of particular school.
when looking at Soke's credentials, Soke has thier records of who they inherited thier art from an so on an so forth
thats where lineage becomes useful......its better than having some nut come out and say hey im a grandmaster ninja of the Plum-Flower clan an teach some bs crap which is little more than a mixture of cheap kenpo and tkd with aikido and wing chun
an dont have no records or license to state what they are doing is real.
yes I agree to an extent.
Im not going to argue anymore I think you are most likely more correct than I am.
I think an ideal system wouldnt have ranks. Maybe white belts and black belts, thats as far as I would go with it, but they do encourage as you say, the naieve and gullble, and children.
I think an ideal system wouldnt have ranks. Maybe white belts and black belts, thats as far as I would go with it, but they do encourage as you say, the naieve and gullble, and children.
Why white and black? Simply the instructor may need a different uniform, or being in front of the class shows.
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
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Originally Posted by 47MartialMan
But why have so many gauges?
Is there a charge/fee, for each gauge?
Why can't the acquired skill be the gauge as one sees progression of such skill?
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cant speak for others but in my school and network we dont charge a fee for gauge........its conducted the same way it is in Japan as far as Bujinkan ninjutsu is concerned.
when Intructor feels one is ready for next kyu level grade or BB.......they are randomly/ casually given a test out of the blue of thier skills due to instructor feeling that student has learned
and demonstrated in "alive training" applications of certain criteria pertaining to a set kyu or BB level during training sessions that he/ she is ready to be tested for advancement
usually as far as the network i train with this is done in accordance as the instructer sees fit as the aquired gauge for advancement in rank.
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“You could do this same technique with a knife. Just keep it hidden. Don’t go swinging it around. We’re not yakuza here.”
“Don’t make the other person your opponent. If you do that, you lose your awareness to other people. Taijutsu is not just one on one.”
cant speak for others but in my school and network we dont charge a fee for gauge........its conducted the same way it is in Japan as far as Bujinkan ninjutsu is concerned.
when Intructor feels one is ready for next kyu level grade or BB.......they are randomly/ casually given a test out of the blue of thier skills due to instructor feeling that student has learned
and demonstrated in "alive training" applications of certain criteria pertaining to a set kyu or BB level during training sessions that he/ she is ready to be tested for advancement
usually as far as the network i train with this is done in accordance as the instructer sees fit as the aquired gauge for advancement in rank.
Nice.
Are there "age qualifications" per "gauge" as well?
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
cant speak for others but in my school and network we dont charge a fee for gauge........its conducted the same way it is in Japan as far as Bujinkan ninjutsu is concerned.
when Intructor feels one is ready for next kyu level grade or BB.......they are randomly/ casually given a test out of the blue of thier skills due to instructor feeling that student has learned
and demonstrated in "alive training" applications of certain criteria pertaining to a set kyu or BB level during training sessions that he/ she is ready to be tested for advancement
usually as far as the network i train with this is done in accordance as the instructer sees fit as the aquired gauge for advancement in rank.
Yeah you lucked out, my old Bujinkan school was pretty money hungry. When I started learning the Omoto Ryu-ha stuff I was deeply impressed by their grading system, deshi, sempai, and then Shihan. Since it was a family style it didn't have belts and the one guy who does teach commercially in Canada doesn't even call his art ninjutsu, he refers to it as Jujitsu until you reach shodan then its hey you've been learning ninjutsu.
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