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Why cant there be samurai existing in these times like ninjas?
Isn't it because there isn't a shogun to serve under... Or regional lords? And weren't samurais actually registered? Whilst shinobi can be shinobi whenever, wherever.
Isn't it because there isn't a shogun to serve under... Or regional lords? And weren't samurais actually registered? Whilst shinobi can be shinobi whenever, wherever.
Well, given that the samurai were in "service" of their lords, couldn't japanese like police and military be considered as "samurai"?
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
"The Meiji Restoration
The Meiji Restoration began when Emporer Meiji ascended to the throne and replaced the Tokugawa Bakufu as the ruling power, once restoring the imperial rule which had been absent from Japan for so long. Having learned from history, he then took steps to ensure that no new shogun would rise up to displace him. Having established a new imperial court at Edo, he redubbed the city 'Tokyo'. He then instituted radical changes that effectively ended the old class system and spelled out the end of the samurai. However, some samurai refused to bow out quietly and there were a few rebellions during the 1870's, the last of which ended in 1877."
"The abolition of the Samurai class 1869
The removal of the rigid and elitist class system imposed on the Japanese people by the military shoguns would mean abolishing the privileged status of the samurai who numbered about two million. In 1869, a start to class reform was made by abolishing the old class hierarchy, including the samurai class, and replacing it with a new three level class order comprising, in descending order of status, court nobles and former daimyo lords (the peers or kazoku), former samurai (now shizoku), and the commoners, who were all lumped together as heimin."
"many samurai were angered by the reforms which had abolished their warrior occupation, cut their incomes, and removed their elite status and privileges."
The Samurai class was officially ended. It is no more, gone, done, bye-bye. Only dopey teenagers and role-play fanatics claim to be Samurai anymore. Not unlike those anachronism-addicts who insist on being called ninja in this day and age.
My wife's family is descended from Takeda Shingen himself and no one would think of calling themselves Samurai. They would rightly be looked on as loons for doing so.
I'm sure you will follow this with more trolling. I can't wait to see what stupidity you come up with next....
...on second thought, yes I can wait.
Last edited by Sake Sipper; 06-09-2008 at 04:25 PM.
The Samurai class was officially ended. It is no more, gone, done, bye-bye. Only dopey teenagers and role-play fanatics claim to be Samurai anymore. Not unlike those anachronism-addicts who insist on being called ninja in this day and age.
My wife's family is descended from Takeda Shingen and no one would think of calling themselves Samurai. They would rightly be looked on as loons for doing so.
I'm sure you will follow this with more trolling. I can't wait to see what stupidity you come up with next....
Well, I do like to read your posts.
But I think you can leave out the name-calling.
All you have to do is answer/respond, as it is to have others read what you have to say in a informative, civilized manner.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
The Samurai class was officially ended. It is no more, gone, done, bye-bye. Only dopey teenagers and role-play fanatics claim to be Samurai anymore. Not unlike those anachronism-addicts who insist on being called ninja in this day and age.
My wife's family is descended from Takeda Shingen himself and no one would think of calling themselves Samurai. They would rightly be looked on as loons for doing so.
I'm sure you will follow this with more trolling. I can't wait to see what stupidity you come up with next....
...on second thought, yes I can wait.
Wow, how descended? Quite close, or her uncle's great-aunt's cousin's kinda thing? But still, you can't walk around calling yourself samurai, but bragging about samurai heritage would be too awesome.
Wow, how descended? Quite close, or her uncle's great-aunt's cousin's kinda thing?
More or less directly, as I understand it. The family name on that side is not Takeda, but the official family crest is the same as that of the famous Daimyo. So, pretty directly for whatever that's worth.
However, some samurai refused to bow out quietly and there were a few rebellions during the 1870's, the last of which ended in 1877.
A samurai rebellion is an interesting concept if only because they were supposed to be 100 percent loyal to their country (I think), which would, in theory, involve following unjust laws and moving through the proper channels to make changes to those laws. I hope I am not talking out of my ass here, I am only vague recalling some study I did a while back on Shinto belief.
LOL! Then maybe you shouldn't communicate as if you are 7 years old.
So, what was this 100 year old dude doing at your dojo? Lots of cardio work I guess?
What war exactly did he fight with his sword? Not that its all that hard to believe he might have done so in some instance or other. Heck, I'm sure some soldier in Iraq today has taken a hack at someone with a sword while over there. The funny part is the "He's a Samurai!" bit. That's the part that really sounds like a 7 year old. I guess you know that is not the case. You just wanted to say it because it sounded so 'cool.'
And where exactly was this guy from? Mano doesn't sound like a very common Japanese family name...
Mate, He is trained in the way of the Samurai, I don't know his age but he is very old, The guy still moves well. There is a video of him that will be on DVD soon. When he came over to England there was very high Senior Grade Iaido practitioners from all over the country to train with him. People go around calling themselfs 10th Dan when there isn't really any true 10th Dans anymore. How many was actually graded to that level by a true master?? probably not alot but people still get nominated for the grade.
Mano Sensei was not a Samurai who lived in those days but is highly trained, and has used his training in combat. That makes him a Samurai in my books, even if a slightly more modern Samurai. And you forget there has been many conflicts in Japan over the last Century, maybe it wasn't a global war he don't exactly speak english, Fuji Sensei who is was his student did the translation. But the guys have the focus in their eyes and the technique is amazing.
So before you jump on the band wagon to slagging someone off because it makes you feel better, try keeping an open mind and not picking holes in everything that you don't understand.
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Mano Sensei was not a Samurai who lived in those days but is highly trained, and has used his training in combat. That makes him a Samurai in my books
Oh in your books? Well, why didn't you say so? Since apparently your books are magic books that make things mean whatever the heck you want them to, then that makes perfect sense.
Are ninjas people who practise ninjitsu?
Look who's trolling for a response....
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