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I was wondering, does the term 'ninja' mean the black clothed assassins of the night, or just simple a person who practises ninjitsu, like a wrestler to wrestling, judoka to judo et cetera.
I was wondering, does the term 'ninja' mean the black clothed assassins of the night, or just simple a person who practises ninjitsu, like a wrestler to wrestling, judoka to judo et cetera.
I would say both. Though Shinobi, Oniwaban, and Shinobi-no were other ways to reference.
BTW - can any truly have a Black Belt Rank in Ninjitsu?
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the word ninja carries the meanings of stealth, espionage and one who specializes in all the other various aspects that
concern warfare. not just limited to assassin...or black clothed. all types of clothing are used.
the word ninja can be used to describe someone who practices ninjutsu. but me usually i try not to use it because of the misunderstood conception it brings to some people. but ill use the term when talkin about the history of ninja
I prefer Shinobi. but theres no difference between the 2 and oniwaban. just different ways to say the same thing
also depending on what ninjutsu school your from theres different terms. like in Bujinkan we use Shinobi, Budoka, or Buyu for example.
good examples of the modern version of ninja who may not train in the traditional art are CIA/ FBI field agents, Military Infantry Soldiers, or Bodyguards
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“You could do this same technique with a knife. Just keep it hidden. Don’t go swinging it around. We’re not yakuza here.”
“Don’t make the other person your opponent. If you do that, you lose your awareness to other people. Taijutsu is not just one on one.”
the word ninja carries the meanings of stealth, espionage and one who specializes in all the other various aspects that
concern warfare. not just limited to assassin...or black clothed. all types of clothing are used.
the word ninja can be used to describe someone who practices ninjutsu. but me usually i try not to use it because of the misunderstood conception it brings to some people. but ill use the term when talkin about the history of ninja
I prefer Shinobi. but theres no difference between the 2 and oniwaban. just different ways to say the same thing
also depending on what ninjutsu school your from theres different terms. like in Bujinkan we use Shinobi, Budoka, or Buyu for example.
good examples of the modern version of ninja who may not train in the traditional art are CIA/ FBI field agents, Military Infantry Soldiers, or Bodyguards
Pop quiz, what does "nin" mean and what is its etymology origin?
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Originally Posted by 47MartialMan
Pop quiz, what does "nin" mean and what is its etymology origin?
"nin" is simple in Japanese but in English thers lots of words to describe it. the basic meanings are perseverance, endurance, and forebearing in physical an mental
the secondary meanings are stealth, concealment, and secrecy.
the Kani characters for "nin" symbolizes a blade and a heart meaning esoterically that your heart or "will power" is channeled and projected in ways with the symbolic sharpness of a blade, the tool of choice for accomplishment.
so in all "nin" is being in control of your mind, body, and conscience of right an wrong.
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“You could do this same technique with a knife. Just keep it hidden. Don’t go swinging it around. We’re not yakuza here.”
“Don’t make the other person your opponent. If you do that, you lose your awareness to other people. Taijutsu is not just one on one.”
I dont think the term ninja truly bears any meaning anymore, like those claiming to be samurai, or knighting people.
Its a function of history, okay so masaki hatsumi claims to be from a line of ninja, and there a folk that cut wood with katanas and follow the way of life of their ancestors, there are Americans that live like cowboys, and brits that get knighted by the queen. But they are imitations, because the function is not there, we don't need ninjas, or knights, or cowboys or samurai, its like comparing a a real plant, a living breathing life form to a fake plant, in that see through jelly stuff, its a very good imitation, and undoubtedly requires just as much skill to create as it does to grow a plant, but it is not a plant.
So in present tense I dot believe ninja exist, which technically answers the question. Because I think the title is unobtainable.
However I do believe the correct term for a judo student is judoka, as there are terms for students of everything, and terms for the teachers sensei or sifu. But to be ninja is to be a imitation of something that functioned a long time ago.
I haven't truly touched on the mental and spiritual side of martial arts but I don't have time for these people who claim to be ninjas and samurai when clearly they way of life no longer exists, there is no function in doing so, titles and names don't mean anything when your fighting.
I always thought of ninja being a job. Sadly, there just isn't much of a demand for ninja like abilities in the private sector these days. Although, ninjitsu is an art, practitioners are not ninjas.
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I dont think the term ninja truly bears any meaning anymore, like those claiming to be samurai, or knighting people.
Its a function of history, okay so masaki hatsumi claims to be from a line of ninja, and there a folk that cut wood with katanas and follow the way of life of their ancestors, there are Americans that live like cowboys, and brits that get knighted by the queen. But they are imitations, because the function is not there, we don't need ninjas, or knights, or cowboys or samurai, its like comparing a a real plant, a living breathing life form to a fake plant, in that see through jelly stuff, its a very good imitation, and undoubtedly requires just as much skill to create as it does to grow a plant, but it is not a plant.
So in present tense I dot believe ninja exist, which technically answers the question. Because I think the title is unobtainable.
However I do believe the correct term for a judo student is judoka, as there are terms for students of everything, and terms for the teachers sensei or sifu. But to be ninja is to be a imitation of something that functioned a long time ago.
I haven't truly touched on the mental and spiritual side of martial arts but I don't have time for these people who claim to be ninjas and samurai when clearly they way of life no longer exists, there is no function in doing so, titles and names don't mean anything when your fighting.
why do you think the title is unobtainable? and whats practiced today is imitation?
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“You could do this same technique with a knife. Just keep it hidden. Don’t go swinging it around. We’re not yakuza here.”
“Don’t make the other person your opponent. If you do that, you lose your awareness to other people. Taijutsu is not just one on one.”
Are ninjas people who practise ninjitsu?
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