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Some scholars and historians tend to believe that Karate was developed as a means to defend against armed opponents or developed resulting from a "weapons ban".
1.) What is your view of the above?
2.) Is Karate a Japanese art or Chinese art?
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My opinion is that Karate is a uniquely Japanese/Okinowan art. That is not to say that it wasn't influenced or derived in parts from Chinese arts. But the core of the system is Japanese.
I find it doubtful that it was developed due to a weapons ban. I'm sure it existed in one form or another before that.
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japanese. like most martial arts it was influenced by other arts.
it wasnt made due to weapons ban. and te had japanese, and chinese influences. not only chinese
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From my understanding kara-te origionally ment Chinese Hand and was derived from/by combining several styles of Chaun-Fa/kung-fu with native Okinawan arts. The Chinese took over Okinawan for a while and I believed did apply a weapons ban, how ever Okinawan-Te was already quite common at that time and many Okinawans combined the arts. Karate did not reach Japan until the 20th century so modern karate is Japanese, but more so an Okinawan system.
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2.) Is Karate a Japanese art or Chinese art?
Neither, it is a Chinese influenced Okinawan art if it is pre-shotokan era or could be Japanese depending on the style. Though as generalization I consider it more Okinawan then Japanese.
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From my understanding kara-te origionally ment Chinese Hand and was derived from/by combining several styles of Chaun-Fa/kung-fu with native Okinawan arts. The Chinese took over Okinawan for a while and I believed did apply a weapons ban, how ever Okinawan-Te was already quite common at that time and many Okinawans combined the arts. Karate did not reach Japan until the 20th century so modern karate is Japanese, but more so an Okinawan system.
Neither, it is a Chinese influenced Okinawan art if it is pre-shotokan era or could be Japanese depending on the style. Though as generalization I consider it more Okinawan then Japanese.
Interesting and "somewhat" the "general history".
I hadn't ever come across anything where the Chinese took over Okinawa and applied a weapons ban.
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The Chinese took over Okinawan for a while and I believed did apply a weapons ban, how ever Okinawan-Te was already quite common at that time and many Okinawans combined the arts.
I've never read anything about the Chinese invading and taking over the Ryukyu Islands. I know the different kingdoms of Okinawa paid tribute to the Chinese emperor throughout the 12th century, but they had a peaceful trade relationship in all the histories that I've read.
Are you sure you aren't confusing your information with the 1609 Satsuma clan invasion of Okinawa? During that occupation, the ruling shogun installed a weapons ban over the Okinawans.
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I've never read anything about the Chinese invading and taking over the Ryukyu Islands. I know the different kingdoms of Okinawa paid tribute to the Chinese emperor throughout the 12th century, but they had a peaceful trade relationship in all the histories that I've read.
Are you sure you aren't confusing your information with the 1609 Satsuma clan invasion of Okinawa? During that occupation, the ruling shogun installed a weapons ban over the Okinawans.
Well, I stated omwehat of the same thng.
Though, it has been debated rather Karate developed from peasants in opposed to a weapons ban.
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Martial arts in general were developed to give someone an advantage in a fight. Now, if everyone's fighting abilities were naturally the same, then there wouldn't be much of a need for extensive martial arts. So, martial arts main goal was and is to allow you to defeat opponents who would have normally beat you. Speaking in the utmost of generalities, it wouldn't matter if your opponent was bigger than you or had a weapon.
Karate is Japanese/Okinawan (depending on the particular style), just as I am American. It really doesn't matter that my ancestors came from Europe (and their ancestors came from the Middle East and their ancestors came from Africa and their ancestors came from Pangaea and their ancestors came from the ocean) I am an American.
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I've never read anything about the Chinese invading and taking over the Ryukyu Islands. I know the different kingdoms of Okinawa paid tribute to the Chinese emperor throughout the 12th century, but they had a peaceful trade relationship in all the histories that I've read.
Are you sure you aren't confusing your information with the 1609 Satsuma clan invasion of Okinawa? During that occupation, the ruling shogun installed a weapons ban over the Okinawans.
sorry to veer off-topic a bit, interesting posts by everyone.
did u ever visit "samurai diner" restaurant outside gate 2 in Okinawa @ Souldrum? one of the owners there is a decendant of the Satsuma clan. he gave me an interesting history lesson an showed portraits of the clan members when i ate there
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sorry to veer off-topic a bit, interesting posts by everyone.
did u ever visit "samurai diner" restaurant outside gate 2 in Okinawa @ Souldrum? one of the owners there is a decendant of the Satsuma clan. he gave me an interesting history lesson an showed portraits of the clan members when i ate there
Never went there during my visits to Okinawa, but I wish I had. Sounds really cool.
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"Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein
"Without deviation from the norm progress is not possible." - Frank Zappa
Martial arts in general were developed to give someone an advantage in a fight. Now, if everyone's fighting abilities were naturally the same, then there wouldn't be much of a need for extensive martial arts. So, martial arts main goal was and is to allow you to defeat opponents who would have normally beat you. Speaking in the utmost of generalities, it wouldn't matter if your opponent was bigger than you or had a weapon.
Karate is Japanese/Okinawan (depending on the particular style), just as I am American. It really doesn't matter that my ancestors came from Europe (and their ancestors came from the Middle East and their ancestors came from Africa and their ancestors came from Pangaea and their ancestors came from the ocean) I am an American.
Sam Colt, Bill Ruger, Dan Wesson, John Browning comes to mind....
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
From my understanding kara-te origionally ment Chinese Hand and was derived from/by combining several styles of Chaun-Fa/kung-fu with native Okinawan arts. The Chinese took over Okinawan for a while and I believed did apply a weapons ban, how ever Okinawan-Te was already quite common at that time and many Okinawans combined the arts. Karate did not reach Japan until the 20th century so modern karate is Japanese, but more so an Okinawan system.
Neither, it is a Chinese influenced Okinawan art if it is pre-shotokan era or could be Japanese depending on the style. Though as generalization I consider it more Okinawan then Japanese.
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