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Japanese Martial ArtsDiscuss Japanese style Martial Arts here - Aikido, Iaido, Jiu Jitsu, Judo, Karate, Kenpo, Kendo, Kyudo, Kyudo, Ninjitsu, Sumo
Since Iai-jutsu & Ken-Jutsu is an integral part of the style i do, i'm fairly proficient in those areas (might have something to do with the fact that the sword is one of my favourites ). The thing i was wondering was; does any of you guys (& girls) know some small tips & tricks, something that's helped you on the draw :unsure: ? the thing is that i've got a pretty quick draw, but i'd like to improve the speed of it even more.
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Leo 'Berador' Clausen.
6'th Satsujin-Ryoku Dan, Ryoku Ryu Ninpo Bugei.
3'rd Dan, Kawachi Yon Tengu Ryu.
President, WMAOA-Denmark.
The beginning of wisdom, is to acknowledge you own ignorance. When you realize your own ignorance, you will admit to your own insignificance, and that will free your spirit for growth without limitations.
(quote; Arakawa Shichirobei).
Well you more or less answered it yourself , but let me elaborate. The art of drawing & attacking (in more or less one fluentent motion) is named Iai-jutsu, while japanese swordsmanship in general (battle-field fencing) is named Ken-jutsu.
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Leo 'Berador' Clausen.
6'th Satsujin-Ryoku Dan, Ryoku Ryu Ninpo Bugei.
3'rd Dan, Kawachi Yon Tengu Ryu.
President, WMAOA-Denmark.
The beginning of wisdom, is to acknowledge you own ignorance. When you realize your own ignorance, you will admit to your own insignificance, and that will free your spirit for growth without limitations.
(quote; Arakawa Shichirobei).
Originally posted by Berador@Jul 16 2005, 01:29 AM Since Iai-jutsu & Ken-Jutsu is an integral part of the style i do, i'm fairly proficient in those areas (might have something to do with the fact that the sword is one of my favourites ). The thing i was wondering was; does any of you guys (& girls) know some small tips & tricks, something that's helped you on the draw :unsure: ? the thing is that i've got a pretty quick draw, but i'd like to improve the speed of it even more.
Have you tried putting WD40 on your sword housing?
It's a joke. I don't know much about sword playing.
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" ... Those who win every battle are not really skillful - those who render others' helpless without fighting are the best of all." - Sun Tzu
The older term for what people know as Iaido is Batto Do, "the way of drawing and cutting with the sword".
Iaido, "a way of spntaneously drawing together" (implied is: drawing the mind, body and spirit together", is a later term.
Iaijutsu is not very widely used at all, but the term implies a more combat oriented art as opposed. The Mugai Ryu that we practice has one branch called Iaijutsu.
Batto/Iai are arts of drawing, cutting and resheathing.
Kenjutsu is "sword fighting". In Kendo (essentially the sport of Kenjutsu) you see the opponents sqaured off with the sword already drawn.
I hold a Sandan in Mugai Ryu Iaihyodo and train in Muso Shinden Ryu Iaido, in addition to numerous seminars on different styles of Batto Do.
I am the IN Regional Representative for International Seishinkain Karate Union.
At my school here in Fort Wayne I teach Doshinkan Aikido, Motobuha ****o Ryu Karatedo and Tai Chi. We include Koroho as part of the curriculum and will have a seperate Koroho class in the near future.
to answer your question, try holding the mouth of the scabbard, about an inch below it actually, and pulling it towards your hip. with the draw push your right arm to the left and bend the wrist to the right. this creates a bit more resistance on the draw, and creates a higher velocity of blade when it leaves the scabbard. i'm unsure as to whether this damages the scabbard, but if i remember correctly, a well made one has a volume of space that suspends the edge of the blade while you do this so that you don't destroy your scabbard.
It's an interesting concept. Regardless of whether it damages the scarboard or not, adding resistance to add velocity.
Have not tried this but it's definitely interesting concept.
Does this work only as an exercise to build up the speed of quick draw or is this to be used even in an actual battle?
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" ... Those who win every battle are not really skillful - those who render others' helpless without fighting are the best of all." - Sun Tzu
Creating resistance will slow your draw.
You are drawing and presumably increasing speed. Then as the kissaki comes out of the saya, it jams up for a split second, then snaps out. The force seems to increase with the snap, but it still the draw was slower.
You have to adjust your draw to remove all resistance, draw smoothly without allowing the sword to touch the saya.
The more friction against the saya, the slower your draw will be. To increase your speed on the draw, slow down in your practice. Speed will come with proper form - which creates efficiency. As you slowly draw, feel for resistance and listen for the sound of the blade against the saya. When you start hearing the sound, then you know that is the point in the draw where you are hanging up. You have to be making adjustments to the blade and the saya as you draw to constantly avoid that friction.
Also, if you are not doing the "sayabiki" as described above, that will also help improve your draw.
Drawing the sword forward while pulling the saya off of the sword. Assuming you are drawing with the sword on your left side, after the cut, look over your right shoulder, you should be looking at the end of the saya.
But, a lot of the "sayabiki" and where to grasp the saya is dependent on style. In MSR the left hand grasps the saya with the koiguchi hidden by the fingers. In Mugai Ryu we have always had the fingers back from the koiguchi. One of the problems in getting advice on a forum like this is that the advice can be dependent on what style you are practcing, so you may get good advice here but your teacher will tell you it is wrong.
Also, I forgot to answer part of a question above. We do sword work as part of Koroho, which is seperate from the other sword arts at my dojo. We train in empty-hand vs sword technqiues and also do kumitachi with grappling.
I have been thinking of some other words to try and help you out some.
It is quite hard to describe and teach Iaido this way.
But you have to look at the shape of the sword and the saya. They are curved, obviously. What happens is we try to draw the curved sword straight out of the saya, but it actually has to pretty much follow the curvature of the saya to avoid rubbing (creating friction and slowing it down) and in the end, hanging up on the koiguchi - which creates the need to "snap" it out.
Try this:
As you slowly draw the sword forward, simultaneously draw the saya back off the sword - pull the sword with the right hand and push the say back with the left. The saya will follow the path of your belt with the left hand ending up on the back side of your left hip, with the end of the saya sticking out to the right.
But just before you complete the draw, as the kissaki is coming up on the koiguchi, turn your left hand to the right. You will feel the tension release. As you train, you will improve the timing of this adjustment to the saya. Then you can start to increase the speed of your draw.
We are starting a new Iaido class in July. I will likely tape a lot, if not all of those classes. I certainly will be covering this idea in the first class and a DVD will be available in the event that these words alone are not good enough alone.
Right before you draw you should have your sword almost half out of your belt. For a quicker and smoother draw, pull the SAYA down, don't pull the sword out yet (also make sure that the mune of the sword is against the saya, and not the edge)When your sword is out, ei the kissaki is out/almost out then you can make the cut.
Hip movement is also important (especially when you have a huge o-katana like my sensei). as you pull the saya down, your hip should move slightly to the left. So because the left side of your body is moving to the left, it's more incentive for your right hand, the one holding the sword, to move to the right smoother.
Iai-Jutsu.
). The thing i was wondering was; does any of you guys (& girls) know some small tips & tricks, something that's helped you on the draw :unsure: ? the thing is that i've got a pretty quick draw, but i'd like to improve the speed of it even more.
, but let me elaborate. The art of drawing & attacking (in more or less one fluentent motion) is named Iai-jutsu, while japanese swordsmanship in general (battle-field fencing) is named Ken-jutsu.
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