Ninjitsu or Judo

[JuJido]

Right, so I've got the choice to join either Judo OR Ninjitsu in conjunction with my JJJ classes and my breakdown of pro's and cons are as follows:

Judo pro's
1. Much closer to my house than Ninjitsu
2. Almost 2/3 cheaper.
3. Small class (not even 10 ppl).
5. Will (in my understanding of the inter-relationship of Japanese martial arts) nicely compliment my JJJ training.
6. Already have Gi.

Judo cons
1. Half the hours of Ninjitsu.
2. Only two adults there after I join and the other is much smaller than me (almost 20kgs lighter).


Ninjitsu pro's
1. Will expose me to a whole new angle of martial arts.
2. Not that much bigger class (approx 15).
3. Guys there bigger than me (good thing) and mostly adults.
4. Double the hours

Ninjitsu cons
1. Significantly more expensive though.
2. Much further to travel.
3. No gear.

So, from a financial and convenience point of view, Judo's winning hands down at the moment. However, I'd like to hear what you guys think about the importance of the other points such as training partners etc and if you could comment on the content of the arts and which you'd think could ultimately be most beneficial from a self-defence point of view.

I know that these questions are difficult to answer as they are ultimately very subjective but was hoping you could help me make an informed decision by expanding a bit about what I'd ultimately learn in each art (I know it will obviously differ from school to school, but feel free to generalise here).

Thanks guys (and girls)!
Phyz

[Chad]

Eh, Ninjutsu and Judo would both require a grappling Gi, but that's about all the gear you'd need.

[Locoplata]

Well Judo would most definitely be a strong complimentary style to your Jiujitsu because I've found it's pretty hard to groundfight when you can't get your opponent to the ground haha. However, if you wanted to learn more about street combat and self defense techniques I'd go with the ninjitsu. If it's anything like the style I've trained in its probably a lot of cool wrist and joint locks as well as other striking techniques. But you can't go wrong either way, judo and ninjitsu are both great to learn.

[john55]

Originally Posted by Phyzmatix

Right, so I've got the choice to join either Judo OR Ninjitsu in conjunction with my JJJ classes and my breakdown of pro's and cons are as follows:

Judo pro's
1. Much closer to my house than Ninjitsu
2. Almost 2/3 cheaper.
3. Small class (not even 10 ppl).
5. Will (in my understanding of the inter-relationship of Japanese martial arts) nicely compliment my JJJ training.
6. Already have Gi.

Judo cons
1. Half the hours of Ninjitsu.
2. Only two adults there after I join and the other is much smaller than me (almost 20kgs lighter).


Ninjitsu pro's
1. Will expose me to a whole new angle of martial arts.
2. Not that much bigger class (approx 15).
3. Guys there bigger than me (good thing) and mostly adults.
4. Double the hours

Ninjitsu cons
1. Significantly more expensive though.
2. Much further to travel.
3. No gear.

So, from a financial and convenience point of view, Judo's winning hands down at the moment. However, I'd like to hear what you guys think about the importance of the other points such as training partners etc and if you could comment on the content of the arts and which you'd think could ultimately be most beneficial from a self-defence point of view.

I know that these questions are difficult to answer as they are ultimately very subjective but was hoping you could help me make an informed decision by expanding a bit about what I'd ultimately learn in each art (I know it will obviously differ from school to school, but feel free to generalise here).

Thanks guys (and girls)!
Phyz

try both schools out and see which you like better and meets your needs.

[Norton]

You will have more realistic sparring with Judo. You can't practice everything you learn in ninjutsu in a full-contact fashion.


But with no adults in the Judo class, Ninjutsu would probably be better as the training environment for you.

[JuJido]

Originally Posted by Chad

Eh, Ninjutsu and Judo would both require a grappling Gi, but that's about all the gear you'd need.

Ninjitsu has grappling?

Originally Posted by Locoplata

Well Judo would most definitely be a strong complimentary style to your Jiujitsu because I've found it's pretty hard to groundfight when you can't get your opponent to the ground haha. However, if you wanted to learn more about street combat and self defense techniques I'd go with the ninjitsu. If it's anything like the style I've trained in its probably a lot of cool wrist and joint locks as well as other striking techniques. But you can't go wrong either way, judo and ninjitsu are both great to learn.

Which one would you say would ultimately increase my MA knowledge base (expose me to a greater variety of skills)? What I'm trying to ask is, what's the odds that I'm going to end up mostly repeating what I'm learning in JJJ in Judo?

[JuJido]

Originally Posted by john55

try both schools out and see which you like better and meets your needs.

Oh, I'll definitely go and see both. But one lesson won't really give you the big picture.

Originally Posted by Norton

You will have more realistic sparring with Judo. You can't practice everything you learn in ninjutsu in a full-contact fashion.

Thank you, that's another point I'll have to consider.

[Basho]

I like Locoplata's view on it. You just have to decide whether you want to learn something completely foreign or something that will complement what you already know. I wouldn't say that you'd be learning the same things in Judo that you've learned in JJJ, but if you decide on Ninjitsu, it'd be completely different. And you have to think about how well you already know JJJ. You don't want any new knowledge interfering with you old knowledge.

What rank are you in terms of (kyu\gup)/dan?

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by Phyzmatix

Which one would you say would ultimately increase my MA knowledge base (expose me to a greater variety of skills)? What I'm trying to ask is, what's the odds that I'm going to end up mostly repeating what I'm learning in JJJ in Judo?

Technically speaking the throws you will learn in Judo may be the same, but the technical proficiency you will get learning them from a Judo school is WAY higher than a JJJ school. Just to be clear:

There is no single martial art that you can train that can match the throws and takedowns in Judo (I am not counting wrestling, either freestyle of greco in this).

Even the most highly ranked and skilled JJJ AND BJJ guys in the world are going to get tossed on their head by the top level Judokas of the world. What happens once it hits the ground might be a different story, of course.

[WC_Lun]

I can't tell you which would be better. For me to do that, I'd need to know what you want to get out of the training and I'd have to visit the schools and talk to the instructors. It does't matter what syste is being taught, if the schools vision of what it teaches does not fit within your goals, then somewhere else would be better for you.

[john55]

Originally Posted by Phyzmatix

Oh, I'll definitely go and see both. But one lesson won't really give you the big picture.

true but it will help a lot to meet the instructors, see what the school looks like, what the students are like, etc. also be sure to ask lots of questions, like about the instructors rank, how much they spar/randori 100%, most likely in the judo class this is every class.

Honestly, i dont know anything about ninjitsu, but if i were you, i would do judo hands down. its an awesome art and is very practical and useful. plus its close and cheaper.

[TRIANGLEFROMGUARD]

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

Technically speaking the throws you will learn in Judo may be the same, but the technical proficiency you will get learning them from a Judo school is WAY higher than a JJJ school. Just to be clear:

There is no single martial art that you can train that can match the throws and takedowns in Judo (I am not counting wrestling, either freestyle of greco in this).

Even the most highly ranked and skilled JJJ AND BJJ guys in the world are going to get tossed on their head by the top level Judokas of the world. What happens once it hits the ground might be a different story, of course.

Did you actually see my eyes light up or something?

[souldrum71]

Personally, I'd go with judo. Not only does it seem to complement your JJJ training, but it is cheaper and closer. Yes, there aren't as many adult students, but you joining might be the beginning of a change to that.

[Shinobi_Kokujin]

the Judo sounds like a really good deal, for the ninjutsu....exactly what branch is it? if i knew exactly what org and who the instructors are i could prolly to a background check to see if its worth your time and money.

the odds of running into a 'ninshytsu' dojo is higher than running into bad judo.

[Chad]

Yeah man, it is nothing but grappling tbh, and also, it is generaly harder to find bad Judo schools than Ninjutsu schools.