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Old 01-03-2007, 09:02 AM   #46 (permalink)

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This was actually a debate that came up a while ago. Basically it ended up with people realizing that Bruce Lee would not have classified Jeet Kune Do as a Chinese style because he would not classify it as either Chinese or a style. If memory serves, Complete basically put it in with Chinese styles because it had to go somewhere and Chinese best represented the nationality of Bruce Lee (even though he put everything together in America).
bruce lee based the MA on chinese MA. and he says that although he changed a lot of it, the basic principles are very similar and you can see the original inspiration still in the moves.

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Old 01-03-2007, 09:11 AM   #47 (permalink)

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after reading all the posts, i don't know how much i really did miss

to guide you back on to topic, has anyone here used the punch i was refering to and can compare that way and the traditional way?
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Yes you get more reach using a Jeet Kune do punch but you also leave yourself open for a counter more than a traditional punch
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how do you leave yourself open? aside from the knuckles you use and the lack of a twist at the end, the punch doesn't differ from a traditional one. or am i wrong?

besides if you are going to throw a punch i should hope your other arm is up to block and your body should be angled for power and defence.
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your throwing shoulder is lower and your more extended....
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It was very interesting the way they displayed it in the movies show there. Almost like it was an extra hit after the original punch had landed.
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Interesting, I'll have to check that out. Do you have an ISBN number for it?
i don't own volume 1 but here are the others:

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with that i am sure you can track down vol 1 too.
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i punch with the last 3 knuckles, the only time i use the first is when i go downwards. So i say the punch is effective
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i don't own volume 1 but here are the others:

vol 2
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vol 3
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vol 4
0-89750-053-9

with that i am sure you can track down vol 1 too.
Very cool. +Rep (if I'm allowed)
I bet volume 1 is something like 0-89750-050-x

Edit: I wasn't allowed to +Rep
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one of his punching techniques uses the last 3 knuckle. isn't that a little dangerous? those knuckles are much weeker. i know that ideally you are suppose to work up your resistance with various exercises, but is there really a great benefit to using the three knuckles over the normal first two? it would take a long time to refine and strengthen, and your power is spread over three knuckles in stead of just two.

The normal "first two knuckles" is a method seen in budo as well as Korean styles (from their influence during the Japanese Occupation) as well as the Northern styles of Kung Fu.

However, in the southern styles (Wing Chun included; & hence it's appearence in JKD), the lower knuckles are used in a vertical fist. This is a much more logical technique since it follows the composition of the hand & arm.

To demonstrate; hold you hand in front of you, palm facing you. Note how the last three fingers are aligned with the forearm & elbow. The thumb & first two knuckles are not in alignment. Consequently, the ligaments & tendons of the the hand are strongest in the natural alignment of the forearm.

This means that the first two knuckles need to be "angled" slightly in the horizontal fist so that they alight with the forearm. However, the amount of angling usual results in wrist injuries to the extremities of the wrist which has very little adductive flexion.

Boxers use a natural punching angle & recognise that some punches are better created with a vertical fist & some are most adequate with a horizontal fist. Both are useful.

If you consider one as being better than the other, you instantly get a "for" or "against" mindset. This mindset is one that is one of the cancers of the human mind - whereby you cease to be lead by reality & instead by your opinion. Simply because your instructor told you a certain way, does not necessarily mean it is the right way. Being For or Against simply promotes ignorance.
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Far from taking a 'for or against' mindset, it is worth noting that any technique has a specific use. It is best in that use, but in other situations other techniques would be more effective. This works for the general (Tae Kwon Do is good at the kicking distance, BJJ is good at grappling) to the specific (front kick is good for speed, side kick is good for power) to the very specific (the current top 2, bottom 3 debate). So, for the one inch punch the bottom 3 are more effective because that is how the punch is done. As Jayson noted there are positives and negatives to this technique, just like any other.
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i got the bruce lee books a while ago- the ones mentioned above.

didn't think much to them really.

i did get a book lately called COMPLETE KICKBOXING

i must say very good- goes into many aspect of martial arts (it is essentially thai boxing)

some good tips on working angles and the proper use and execution of the low (cut) kick.

what i especially like is that it adheres to the KISS principle of martial arts - we all know that the simple techniques executed with good timing and power are far superiot to the flashy jumping spinning stuff!!!!- as far as effectiveness in combat anyway.

dont get me wrong- the more flambouyant kicks are fun
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