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Old 02-18-2007, 10:33 AM   #1 (permalink)

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Too much Jeet Kune Do?

i am starting to get annoyed with all this books and articles out there, or website by people that are Jeet Kune Do experts. Bruce Lee did not publish his books teaching the style because he did not want people trying to get rich off his fame, but i think that ended up happening anyway. all styles have strengths and weeknesses thus the only reason JKD has got as much high praise it has is because it was Bruce Lee's style, i think that is wrong. what are your thought? i know some people here trainned in JKD, why did you decide to get into it and did your school honor his memory or make money off of it?
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Old 02-18-2007, 11:36 AM   #2 (permalink)

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Careful Galileo, the church doesn't like that kind of talk.

I wouldn't call it a style, but instead ideas about fighting concepts.




Here is an interesting piece of data:

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Bruce Lee certified three instructors: Taky Kimura, James Yimm Lee (no relation to Bruce Lee) and Dan Inosanto. James Yimm Lee, a close friend of Bruce Lee, died without certifying additional students. Dan Inosanto wrote that although Lee defeated Wong in three minutes, Lee was disappointed that the fight was not resolved in seconds. Taky Kimura, to date, has certified one person in Jun Fan Gung Fu: his son and heir Andy Kimura. All other instructors are certified under Dan Inosanto. Prior to his death, Lee told his then only two living instructors Inosanto and Kimura (James Yimm Lee had died in 1972.) to dismantle his schools. Both Taky Kimura and Dan Inosanto were allowed to teach small classes thereafter without using the name Jeet Kune Do.
As a result of a lawsuit between the estate of Bruce Lee (also known as Concord Moon) and the Inosanto Academy, the name "Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do" was legally trademarked, and the rights were given solely to the Lee estate. "The name is made up of two parts: 'Jun Fan' (Bruce's given Chinese name) and 'Jeet Kune Do' (the Way of the Intercepting Fist). The development of Bruce Lee's art from 1961 until the end of his life was one smooth and indivisible path. In the beginning, he referred to his teachings simply as Jun Fan Gung Fu. Later he further refined his art as a unique Gung fu all its own - Jeet Kune Do" (from the Bruce Lee Foundation Web site).
Some martial arts instructors, in an effort to promote themselves or their martial arts schools, make dubious claims about learning from or teaching Bruce Lee. There are only a few living people who can trace their lineage directly to Bruce Lee.



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Old 02-18-2007, 12:22 PM   #3 (permalink)

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I thought Bruce Lee had no living relatives? Or was it like a 4th cousin or something?
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Old 02-18-2007, 01:35 PM   #4 (permalink)

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His daughter and widow are restarting JKD now. They were in BB mag a few months ago.
Here is a link to the new Bruce Lee Foundation website about the new JKD: http://www.bruceleefoundation.com/
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His daughter and widow are restarting JKD now. They were in BB mag a few months ago.
Here is a link to the new Bruce Lee Foundation website about the new JKD: http://www.bruceleefoundation.com/
But are they certified in the style? I think a big piece of it is that Jeet Kune Do takes as a philosophy that there is no set best. Rather that which fails to change fails to survive.
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They are working to make JKD more structured on the "who is or isn't supposed to be teaching" aspect.

It is my knowledge that they have the full rights to Jun Fan Jeet Kun Do certification. And aside from Dan Inosanto's camp and select others, they are the only way to get certified.
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They are working to make JKD more structured on the "who is or isn't supposed to be teaching" aspect.

It is my knowledge that they have the full rights to Jun Fan Jeet Kun Do certification. And aside from Dan Inosanto's camp and select others, they are the only way to get certified.
Interesting info. I bet that this will all boil down to Dan Inosanto's school changing name (like the WWF).
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Looks like having no limitation as a limitation has an actual limitation-who can teach and get certified
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As a kid, I used to get picked on and bullied a LOT. I never defended myself, I had no self confidence, and no one had any sort of respect for me what-so-ever. Then after watching my mother's Enter the Dragon VHS, I fell in love with the martial arts. Something about Lee on screen ya know? He had complete self confidence and attitude, and you could swear that every punch and kick was meant to hurt. He became my hero. I collected all his published books and movies and studied his philosophies, and it all seemed to make sense. He showed me, that by working hard and constantly challenging and pushing yourself, it all pays off. I began to mimic everything I saw or read about JKD. And soon after, I was the one kicking kids butts at school.

There is and was only ONE expert of Jeet Kune Do and that was the great master Bruce Lee. But JKD was HIS style. I don't even like to call what I practice Jeet Kune Do, it's just my personal interpretation of JKD and expressing myself. Anyone that's trying to call themselves experts and masters need to first demonstrate, because a certificate is nothing but a piece of paper just as a belt is nothing but a piece of clothing.

I'm definitely no master of JKD, but ever since I began learning, I never lost a single fight. And I never stepped foot in a single JKD school!
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As a kid, I used to get picked on and bullied a LOT. I never defended myself, I had no self confidence, and no one had any sort of respect for me what-so-ever. Then after watching my mother's Enter the Dragon VHS, I fell in love with the martial arts. Something about Lee on screen ya know? He had complete self confidence and attitude, and you could swear that every punch and kick was meant to hurt. He became my hero. I collected all his published books and movies and studied his philosophies, and it all seemed to make sense. He showed me, that by working hard and constantly challenging and pushing yourself, it all pays off. I began to mimic everything I saw or read about JKD. And soon after, I was the one kicking kids butts at school.

There is and was only ONE expert of Jeet Kune Do and that was the great master Bruce Lee. But JKD was HIS style. I don't even like to call what I practice Jeet Kune Do, it's just my personal interpretation of JKD and expressing myself. Anyone that's trying to call themselves experts and masters need to first demonstrate, because a certificate is nothing but a piece of paper just as a belt is nothing but a piece of clothing.

I'm definitely no master of JKD, but ever since I began learning, I never lost a single fight. And I never stepped foot in a single JKD school!
Sounds like a typical snot-nosed youngster
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Hi Dancing Dragon,
Pleased to meet Ya!!
(I see your from the "SHOW ME" state ).

It sounds like you've got a handle on that confidence thing!!

Good luck with your training and don't rule out a
school or instructor altogether, sometimes they know
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Good Luck on your MA Journey.
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Yeah, I added the smiley cause I know he is a yuongster and just poking fun.

Many people tend to say how well they fought but never how bad or lost a fight.

Youngsters look to learn from books or vids and not from a live instructor for various reasons.

I like youngsters who are straight forward without boasting, but have a degree of confidence.

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Thanx kenpodog and martialman. I really appreciate the welcome.

Yeah I've learned a lot. Instructors do hold a great deal of insight on the realm of martial arts. I never formally took any classes, but I make friends and share ideas with many different instructors and teachers in my area. JKD is such a crazy process, I've grown so much since I first started training. I didn't used to want to study any other styles, because I didn't want them to "taint" or change me and my expression of the arts. Now I study them just to learn the weaknesses and strengths of that style and hopefully learn some new principles.

The road of self-expression is a winding road, lol
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