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Old 04-10-2007, 09:33 AM   #1 (permalink)

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Is Jeet Kune Do a Style?

Is Jeet Kune Do a Style, or a System?
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It is a system of philosophy dedicated to individualism.

A MMA before the coined term.
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It is a system of philosophy dedicated to individualism.
It's a style of philosophy not dedicated to any one thing.

Hows that for a Tao/Dao opposite
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It's a style of philosophy not dedicated to any one thing.

Hows that for a Tao/Dao opposite
It is dedciated to one thing - the indivdual who gives dedication....
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It is dedciated to one thing - the indivdual who gives dedication....
You can't give dedication, you have to buy it on the street.
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Old 04-10-2007, 10:06 AM   #6 (permalink)

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I believe that it's a little bit of both. The core techniques of Jun Fan JKD are the system that most instructors use in teaching. I believe that the core is important for the process of

1. Learn the nucleus
2. Stick to the nucleus
3. Dissolve the nucleus

So all the fundamentals are extremely important, because even Bruce Lee had to learn his foundation before he could branch off.

Now the concepts of Jeet Kune Do is what liberates it from just being a system. Once you dissolve the core and begin discovering what works for you and what doesn't, you make a return to the beginning.

When first learning martial arts, a punch is just a punch. While beginning to understand the arts, a punch is more than just a punch. After you learn, a punch is just a punch again. You have to break away from the nucleus of the art in order to expand and discover yourself.

So I would say that in the beginning, there is somewhat of a system. But Jeet Kune Do is considered a process. It may start looking like one thing, but once you begin leaving the nest, you take all your basic principles and concepts with you and experience other arts and streamline them and make JKD your own.
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I believe that it's a little bit of both. The core techniques of Jun Fan JKD are the system that most instructors use in teaching. I believe that the core is important for the process of

1. Learn the nucleus
2. Stick to the nucleus
3. Dissolve the nucleus

So all the fundamentals are extremely important, because even Bruce Lee had to learn his foundation before he could branch off.

Now the concepts of Jeet Kune Do is what liberates it from just being a system. Once you dissolve the core and begin discovering what works for you and what doesn't, you make a return to the beginning.

When first learning martial arts, a punch is just a punch. While beginning to understand the arts, a punch is more than just a punch. After you learn, a punch is just a punch again. You have to break away from the nucleus of the art in order to expand and discover yourself.

So I would say that in the beginning, there is somewhat of a system. But Jeet Kune Do is considered a process. It may start looking like one thing, but once you begin leaving the nest, you take all your basic principles and concepts with you and experience other arts and streamline them and make JKD your own.

So why make reference to it? Why state that one has a modified version?

And with any process, there should be a teacher helping one. Or you have the typical nomad martial artist meandering from one thought process to another saying that it is all about them, their, me, mine, etc.

Bruce and JKD was founded by studying other arts and principles first. With people teachers of those arts and principles. Not merely from books and vids.
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Old 04-10-2007, 11:27 AM   #8 (permalink)

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Very true MartialMan, and I think I remember stating on another thread that I train with instructors of several martial arts styles. Boxing, Muay Thai, Taekwondo, Karate, Ninjutsu, and a few others. Correct, books and vids can only take you so far. That's why I fight, I know my skills through fighting with someone else.

Bruce Lee was one of those meandering nomad artists that you're talking about. Throughout his life, he had several different philosophies and thought processes. When he was practicing Wing Chun, he thought Chinese Gung Fu was the best there was and he stuck to it. Later he began training in different styles and learning their "essence", not fully mastering any one style. He didn't used to like kicking above the waist, but he eventually grew out of all of that. He went from Wing Chun, to Jeet Kune Do. If traditional martial arts are so necessary, then why didn't Lee simply continue training in Wing Chun?

Oh, Bruce never trained with Jack Dempsey or Muhammad Ali, but he sure learned a lot about boxing from them. Through books and videos.
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Bruce was one of few "exceptional"

He didnt kick above the waist for hardcore effective fighting.

And he had many years studying other things.

And he would be apalled to those making any reference to JKD in such manners a glorification.

And Dragon Fist still sounds fanatsy....ye Long Quan practitioner
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Old 04-10-2007, 11:46 AM   #10 (permalink)

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i'm thought i heard he learned proper kicking form jhoon rhee who did kick above the waist.

Long Quan sounds just as fantasy to people who know what it means.
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Personally, I think he'd be proud to see an admirer of his striving for self liberation and originality, instead of just doing as everyone else does.

And what are you trying to say by "Bruce was one of few 'exceptional'"? Do you mean that only exceptional people are capable of great things, that even with hard work and dedication, that if you're not exceptional, you can't be great? Come now, Bruce Lee was just a man, a human being. With great philosophical insight mind you, but he was simply human, and he didn't want to be looked upon as "exceptional". He wanted us all to know that through will, determination, and hard work, we can be what we want to be. He did it, now why can't I?
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i'm thought i heard he learned proper kicking form jhoon rhee who did kick above the waist.

Long Quan sounds just as fantasy to people who know what it means.

Yes, but he wasnt inlcined to do it for hardcore fighting and training higher levels.

At least it has name of cultural dissimilitude, then shear "gaming" fantasy.

X-Box..."Dragon Fist"

" Beware of the Dragon Fist master with his level of Modified Jeet Kune Do"

His arsenal of weapons:

"Triple Nunchakus"
"Dragon Whips Tail"
"Sleeping Dragon"
"Drunken Dragon"
"Fire Breath Technique"
"Scale Skin Qi Gong"

Sorry---just goofing again......



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Lol, I was never really good at coming up with names

Those moves sound cool as heck though, lol
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1) Lol, I was never really good at coming up with names

2) Those moves sound cool as heck though, lol
1) Even Dancing Dragon doesnt sound like fighting, at first I had pictured a person with a dragon printed tutu and ballet shoes.

2) yes you would think so.

How about this:

Take your last name, add Long Quan (or Kuyhn-Kune):

So if your last name is Davis,

"Davis Long Kuyhn Do", featuring JKD Concepts

Then when you post "Davis Long Kuyhn Do", people would inquire with much more serious curiousity.

Then you can state all of your training references and your use of JKD.

Im serious, Im not trying to insult you...just giving some helpful hints.

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ha ha, you're funny. I pictured more of a shen-long swirling and dancing in the clouds. With the last name Rankins, I doubt that would sound too good. Rankins Long Kune Do...nah.
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