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05-02-2007, 06:44 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NA Styles: ZaWuXianDo(my personal way of combat)
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Home Country: | Jeet Kune Do today I think JKD was ruined by the fact that most idiots think the only JKD techniques are the ones listed in bruce lee books which is annoying. Many people mis the whole point and very few get it. Sadly, 8 out of 10 people would probably say JKD is a style and it has forms or something else thats wrong
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05-02-2007, 07:29 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Calgary, AB Styles: Hapkido, Tae Kwon Do, Muay Thai
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Home Country: | do you mean that it is more than the books beacuse bruce lee believed in constant improvment and evolution? because then i agree |
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05-02-2007, 08:47 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Twin Cities, MN Styles: Shorin-ryu karate, Matayoshi kobudo
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Home Country: | Please, FightingAce, go into more detail. I know little about JKD, and am always interested in learning more about all sorts of martial arts. |
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05-03-2007, 07:02 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: I'm from Jersey, you from Jersey? Styles: American Kenpo, Modern Arnis, some BJJ
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Originally Posted by Fightingace101 I think JKD was ruined by the fact that most idiots think the only JKD techniques are the ones listed in bruce lee books which is annoying. Many people mis the whole point and very few get it. Sadly, 8 out of 10 people would probably say JKD is a style and it has forms or something else thats wrong | Not exactly sure where your statistics are coming from,
but maybe you could formulate some type of POLL here on the forum 
(we don't get too many polls to vote on)!!
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05-03-2007, 12:58 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: England, UK Styles: Eskirmology
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Home Country: | I agree.
I have experience with 2 JKD Sifu, both of whom I cannot begin to converse with regarding the finer points of the approach.
Most, in my experience, are more interested in the fact that it was Bruce Lee's art, and therefore it must be good.
Any one who knows me (in this forum) will know that it is my aim to take Lee's ideas further and develop them with the ingenuity which Lee himself had professed. I'm not the next Bruce Lee, but I have found that it is easier for people to point fingers, say what is wrong, or "go with the flow" than to stand out, and with logic and sense be able to construct reasons as to why Lee's ideas lead to dead ends, why some ideas were not progressed and are happy to accept the common place.
JKD has lost it's way.
Unfortunately, some "legends" who teach Lee's art are teaching a Tradition. Don't get me wrong, it is good to keep his spirit alive. But forcing a block on progression by resorting to tradition has missed a great opportunity.
Anyone who teaches "Bruce Lee's" JKD has missed the point. Anyone who teaches MMA as JKD are even further from the truth. Some have continued his ideas, but do not study the root causes. Still, martial arts are constrained to exhibition.
I've said it before; Lee was like Newton, he discovered the secrets and founded the way. However, modern physics is made up of science which supports Newton as well as points at reasons in which the laws are not absolute (i.e Special Relativity theory).
Too many people are satisfied with Lee's works and either through lack of understanding or complacency are unwilling/unable to progress the arts any further...
Bruce Lee's ideas and JKD were not the culminating point of martial arts thought but should be thought of as the beginning of the Enlightenment.
__________________ "Tradition comes from when a master realises a truth, then teaches it to others; his source was the world around him. The tradition begins when students follow the doctrine but fail to see the truth it teaches. Martial Arts, like religion, are now the gospel.
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05-03-2007, 01:18 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Chapel Hill, NC Styles: To Shin Do Ninjutsu & Tae Kwon Do (WTF)
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Home Country: | Uh Ok.
Am I the only one that couldnt care less which style I learn because in the end my application of it will be just that, my own. No style can increase your desire to refine your skills to the point where they are flawless, or teach you anticipation for your opponents next strike, or feed your insatiable hunger to test your skills against an opponent. Most things that define a martial artist come from inside them. IMHO.
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05-04-2007, 04:36 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: England, UK Styles: Eskirmology
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Home Country: | This is true.
Non-attachment to style is exactly the point. Does that mean you agree with me in this case?
__________________ "Tradition comes from when a master realises a truth, then teaches it to others; his source was the world around him. The tradition begins when students follow the doctrine but fail to see the truth it teaches. Martial Arts, like religion, are now the gospel.
So I assert; Seek not to follow in the footsteps of great men, but seek that which they themselves had sought." Magister, on the Eskirmological Law of Institutionalisation |
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05-04-2007, 05:31 AM
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| Black Belt II
Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Chapel Hill, NC Styles: To Shin Do Ninjutsu & Tae Kwon Do (WTF)
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Home Country: | I do. But your post was a bit confusing  .
I mean of course you have to learn techniques from someone somewhere but if it doesnt become a part of you then its an empty shell. And thats not what its all about.
__________________ The name means...No matter how many times you cut him, he will never fall. My soul cutter has no name, it is merely a tool. I'll Still Kill! Even the best of men are capable of the most disgusting evil. Just as the most evil man will show someone in their life kindness.
Do not be fooled into thinking your enemy's sin is worse than yours, or that your's is better than his. |
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05-04-2007, 03:16 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NA Styles: ZaWuXianDo(my personal way of combat)
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Originally Posted by sirdarksol Please, FightingAce, go into more detail. I know little about JKD, and am always interested in learning more about all sorts of martial arts. | JKD was sort of the start of mma in the 1960s, and many people i think forget that
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05-04-2007, 03:17 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NA Styles: ZaWuXianDo(my personal way of combat)
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Originally Posted by kenpodog Not exactly sure where your statistics are coming from,
but maybe you could formulate some type of POLL here on the forum 
(we don't get too many polls to vote on)!! | I found the statistic on a JKD site which has since been closed. It was called www.jakejkd.com Im guessing the owner was named jake
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