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That'd be great. Until someone comes up with a rules set that screw everyone over. Like "no strikes to the head and no takedowns to the legs". Or "no hand held, melee weapons and fight in a soft floored ring". Oh wait, that rules set is already around. C'mon man, just let everyone have a stick or shock knife, they do it in Kali sparring contests.
That's what Dog Brother rules are for.
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So there is evidence that boxing gloves reduces long term damage from participating in sports (hand disfigurement, death) without really dampening the power of a strike in the short term (getting punched can still rock your brain nicely). This would make boxing gloves a training aid as you would be able to train with force without compromising your levels of health and fitness. I guess in that case, gloves do favor strikers a bit as it allows them to train with more force responsibly like the graplers can. Is that an agreeable assessment to everyone?
I agree with this statement. Promoters and managers have a responsability to protect their fighters.
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It is not surprising that Bruce Lee used both as training with the gloves would protect you from long term health problems while training and going bare knuckle would get you at least a little used to hitting someone bare knuckled (like you would in a self-defense situation).
Well Bruce Lee was very innovative and incorporated numerous training regimes and new technologies. So I guess the answer to the original question is an over-riding; Yes.
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I think JD would probably be alot like Rapid Arnis crossed with BJJ, and it's not fair because some of the teachers of JKD are sticking to what Bruce Lee originaly taught, but Ithin he ould have wanted to change a fair amount of it, after experimentig more and more. And do you think there would be JKD in MMA? I don't think so but I'd like to know what you all think.
So there is evidence that boxing gloves reduces long term damage from participating in sports (hand disfigurement, death) without really dampening the power of a strike in the short term (getting punched can still rock your brain nicely). This would make boxing gloves a training aid as you would be able to train with force without compromising your levels of health and fitness. I guess in that case, gloves do favor strikers a bit as it allows them to train with more force responsibly like the graplers can. Is that an agreeable assessment to everyone?
I'd forgotten about this one...
The aspect of Force cannot be devoid of its function. The purpose of striking hard to it's effect upon the opposition. If the force may be increased by gloves, then it's effect is attenuated by them simultaneously. A traditional Karate Master would have trained to strike as hard as possible to the weakest point of an opponent, yet the same technique performed in gloves, with equal power, has less effect.
Moreover, the idea that gloves increases Force is a misnomer. Consider that the source of this is a quasi-fact perpetuated by manufacturers who are aiming their product towards those who might be looking to strike. Hence, we have to understand the motives behind the claim - who made the claim, and what were their reason for making it in the first place? With this in mind, it might be easier to recognise why Glove manufacturers would market them as allowing for more forceful strikes...
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The aspect of Force cannot be devoid of its function. The purpose of striking hard to it's effect upon the opposition. If the force may be increased by gloves, then it's effect is attenuated by them simultaneously. A traditional Karate Master would have trained to strike as hard as possible to the weakest point of an opponent, yet the same technique performed in gloves, with equal power, has less effect.
I agree with the theory. To make it more obvious for those of a more visceral bent, here's a question: Would you rather have a guy hit you with boxing gloves or knuckle dusters? Same force but one is a lot more focused (a lot smaller striking area) and harder. Having said that however, I know of very few people who have conditioned their fists to the level where the difference between glove and no glove would be appreciable.
As for the being able to strike smaller targets, again I agree with the theory but to base an art on the ability to continuously and reliably hit small targets is dangerous.
I think there is a huge difference being hit with and without gloves especially in terms of the boney areas (cheekbones ,teeth and brow) or on the top/sides of your head. In terms of power not a huge difference but there is in terms of pain , and likely hood of cuts Gloves are such a nice option, although the 5oz are still damn thin is still takes the Raw "point" of someones knuckles.
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Gloves are to protect the striker, not the struck. The amount of force applied to a strike doesn't change, only the surface area. Of course if a striker knows he has more protection for his hands, he might be tempted to use more force when striking. In that case it'd be more a mental thing than physics.
Moreover, the idea that gloves increases Force is a misnomer. Consider that the source of this is a quasi-fact perpetuated by manufacturers who are aiming their product towards those who might be looking to strike. Hence, we have to understand the motives behind the claim - who made the claim, and what were their reason for making it in the first place? With this in mind, it might be easier to recognise why Glove manufacturers would market them as allowing for more forceful strikes...
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Gloves are to protect the striker, not the struck. The amount of force applied to a strike doesn't change, only the surface area. Of course if a striker knows he has more protection for his hands, he might be tempted to use more force when striking. In that case it'd be more a mental thing than physics.
Yeah... that.
It allows the striker to use more power without hurting himself while only slightly dampening the imparted momentum on the person's head/brain.
Would Bruce still be on the cutting edge
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