Not JKD?!?!

[Chad]

Most of you know that the basis of JKD is that it's personal, and that sombodys way of fighting is not anothers. But here is A guy called Quinten something or other, claming what is JKD and what's not JKD, so I just thought I'd point out that he is definitly a fake JKD instructor.


And for anyone not in the know Bruce lee HIMSELF said "Someone who says this is JKD and that is not, is simply not with it."


Enjoy

[TKD&JKD]

I didnt't know that Dave Groll knew JKD.

[WC_Lun]

Originally Posted by Chad

Most of you know that the basis of JKD is that it's personal, and that sombodys way of fighting is not anothers. But here is A guy called Quinten something or other, claming what is JKD and what's not JKD, so I just thought I'd point out that he is definitly a fake JKD instructor.


And for anyone not in the know Bruce lee HIMSELF said "Someone who says this is JKD and that is not, is simply not with it."


Enjoy

This is true, however there are some concepts that are the core of JKD and if those concepts are not being followed then the lessons of JKD that Bruce Lee tried to impart are not being followed. It is a fallacy that Bruce Lee believed any fighting method was just as good as any other fighting method. If this was true then he never would have created JKD in the first place. Anyone that believes they are doing JKD because that just means doing it any way you want to do it is fooling themselves.

[Chad]

I respectfuly disagree with you(again)WC, While he believed that it was true that any art could beat another, he also believed that it would be better to mix these styles to become less beatable from either^^

[TKD&JKD]

I agree with some of the things the guy said with regards to economy of motion, and striking the nearest target. However why does he disregard armlocks, or knee strikes. Though these moves might not be part of Bruce's core curriculum that does not mean that a fighter can't adapt and add new things to their tool box. Fighting has evolved quite a bit since the creation of the UFC. People need to continue to grow and refine their skill sets. I'm really surprised that the instructor in the video seems so quick to disregard grappling. Bruce clearly demonstrates Judo and Ju-jitsu techniques in the Tao of Jeet Kune Do. Most of his movies included submisions as well. Bruce's grappling was def in it's infancy, but he was begining to explore that range as well, and had trained with Gene Lebell.

To me Jeet Kune Do is a way of thinking more than anythng else. Jeet Kune Do is the philosophy that each man must have his own style. We all have different attributes so we must find what works for us. Absorb what is useful and reject what is useless.

Though some techniques may not fall directly into Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do that doesn't mean they can't be a part of your own personal Jeet Kune Do.

[WC_Lun]

JKD is not about technique. It is about concepts. A JKD practitioner can use any technique they want to, but they follow certain precepts. One of these is effeciencey. I don't necessarily agree with the vdeo about what is or isn't JKD. However, I see a lot of people that have absolutley no idea of what concepts Bruce Lee was tryign to get across, yet they say they are JKD because it is "thier" way of doing it. Never mind the fact that "thier" way of doing whatever it is is neither efficient or effective.

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by WC_Lun

JKD is not about technique. It is about concepts. A JKD practitioner can use any technique they want to, but they follow certain precepts. One of these is effeciencey. I don't necessarily agree with the vdeo about what is or isn't JKD. However, I see a lot of people that have absolutley no idea of what concepts Bruce Lee was tryign to get across, yet they say they are JKD because it is "thier" way of doing it. Never mind the fact that "thier" way of doing whatever it is is neither efficient or effective.

WC is, as usual, dead on right.

JKD, while one of the few "arts" that will incorporate anything that works, does so within the concepts of what it already believes. It absolutely does have some notions on what is effective and what is not and to think that it just means "do whatever you want" is a fallacy. I mean, I don't even train JKD but even I know this.

[Gambatte Karate]

Wait...I have never trained in JKD formally....But...Let me see if I understand this right.

Bruce Lee, the founder of JKD (as named), said that JKD is personalized. He also said that what works for one, may not work for another. He advocated training in multipul "styles" in order to develop the person's own "style".

Am I right so far?

Because if I AM right, then I guess you could say that even though I've never trained in a JKD school, I practice JKD. Here is why I say this. I am all for training in different "styles". This is evidenced by my personal training in Karate, Judo, and BJJ. I've never trained in any of the kung fu arts yet, but I DO respect them and may yet do this some day.




Disclaimer: I do NOT claim to teach or practice JKD.

I think that all systems are effective in their respective fields. JKD typically teaches and practices stand up martial arts, if I know anything about it. (And I will be the first to say that I know little about it) I like the efficiency of motion theory. The art that I practice and teach emphasizes covering. So, if we throw a punch, we try to cover vital targets at the same time. (small and incomplete example...sorry) It has always been effective for me. Does this mean that I am unstoppable? Not even.

I think that since Bruce Lee never got to bring his art to completion, anyone who claims to teach JKD, is still "right" if they do not teach that "this way is the only (or best) way"....Only because of what Bruce wrote and (theoreticaly) believed. (which is in direct opposition to that statement)

[WC_Lun]

You don't have to teach or learn JKD to "get" the concepts of JKD. I've seen many instructors that teach efficiency and effectiveness as the guiding principles of martial arts. Too many people take part of what Bruce Lee wrote and take that single part out of context to justify what they do personally. One of the things that Bruce Lee also wrote was that a person should be experienced in a classical style of martial arts before branching out or incorporating other areas of martial arts into thier personal style of fighting. How often do you hear that bit of info from these guys that think what they do is JKD because they have a bit of this or a bit of that? There are guiding principles of JKD, like all real martial art systems. If you do not understand or incorporate those guiding principles into whatever you are doing, it is not JKD. You may enjoy it, but it is not JKD.

I do know where Bruce Lee got a lot of his concepts and theories. Because I understand those concepts and theories I do not feel the need to associate myself with Bruce Lee to legitamize what I personally practice.

[Chad]

Well call me radical, but I wholeheartedly believe that nobody is allowed to say what is not JKD, you could go as far as to say what there doing is "not MA" unless of course, they were teaching the "finalized" form, wich I believe some people do.

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by Chad

Well call me radical, but I wholeheartedly believe that nobody is allowed to say what is not JKD, you could go as far as to say what there doing is "not MA" unless of course, they were teaching the "finalized" form, wich I believe some people do.

Chad, you don't really get to make that call. If you were a senior practicioner in JKD who actually worked with Bruce Lee then maybe. I think you should leave what JKD is to the JKD practicioners.

[Chad]

But I like JKD and JKD concepts)

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by Chad

But I like JKD and JKD concepts)

LOL! So do I.

[Chad]

Well once I practice it, can I preach it?

Reminds me a little of the religion forum, talking about Bruce Lee!

[WC_Lun]

Hey Chad, do you know the principles and concepts of JKD? Why it is what it is? If you do, then more power to you and I hope you do well with what you are doing. Unfortunately, most people I run into that worship Bruce Lee or JKD haven't a clue as to why he taught things the way he did and the principles that he adhered to in what he taught.