A flaw with Jiu Jitsu and grappling based arts - Page 2

**sirdarksol** · 04-12-2007, 11:03 AM

Also correct. This is why I say that I would prefer to take a bite to the arm if I'm doing a hold on someone to getting hit in the nose or chest.

**47MartialMan** · 04-12-2007, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Mighty_1

I think your forgetting everyone reacts different to pain, what you could take other people could be screaming in pain.

How true. There were males you can take a slight thump in the groin whereas others could not.

Also to mention the "glass jaw" term.

**futurama-freak** · 04-13-2007, 04:14 AM

i've been bitten before and it does hurt, i could just take it but if your in a grapple it will definately make you loosen your grip, even if its for a second

**JackG** · 04-13-2007, 04:25 AM

ok without wanting to rip you a new 1

BJJ is the grappling centered art please speficy this is a pet hate of mine as i study Japanese Jiu-Jitsu there is a big diffrence, people that would normally bite are druggies,tramps and other in line with that column . I could say the problem the striking arts is i could eye gouge or fish hook this is not a flaw but a risk you could a flaw of a striking art is someone that could hit harder or take your hits with ease this is a risk not a FLAW a risk of boxing is getting hit not a flaw please re assess your argument

**futurama-freak** · 04-13-2007, 04:30 AM

If you've got someone in a hold they'll do anything to get out, you don't have to be a druggie or tramp to bite, that is not a valid reason.

**JackG** · 04-13-2007, 04:37 AM

you dont go to ground with someone with that kind of sparatic behavoiur it is comeon sense i myself like groundwork but i am not a grappler but myself it seems stupid to go to ground with someone that is danger of biting , but yes i agree biting is a danger sorr im getting a bit

but please make sure you call it BBJ for the future

**futurama-freak** · 04-13-2007, 04:44 AM

Jiu Jitsu is still a grappling based art

**JackG** · 04-13-2007, 04:49 AM

dude traditional ji-jitsu isn't trust me i know, do i really have to splurge the information the assumption traditional jitsu is grappling based is because of the ignorance of some with the fact the BJJ has JJ in it the brazilians use groundwork more becuase of alot of less urban enviroments i.e less concrete Tradional Japanese Jiu-Jitsu use Throws,locks,groundwork and a few Strikes
it is not based on Groundwork.

please don't try and be a smart ass as to the best of my knowledge you are not a practioner of the art

**futurama-freak** · 04-13-2007, 05:01 AM

i'm not trying to be smart ass and i'm very annoyed why people can't have a debate on here without turning it into an aggressive argument. I admit i don't know everything about JJ, but i gathered that is was to do with grappling which you corrected me on, so i'm not trying to be a smart ass. Once in a while everyone gets things wrong even if it is the difference between JJ and BJJ. You obvioulsy din't have the majurity (sp?) to post in an adult like manner without using ponsy names. Finally just because you practice the art doesn't mean someone else doesn't know more about it than you.

**JackG** · 04-13-2007, 05:06 AM

ponsy names?

Ok sorry bout the agressive manner the groundwork thing annoyes alot of JJ people im sorry About that and i see the your mistake was not one of being a smart ass but simply un-informed , i didn't mean to call ya a smart just sensitive subject.

**futurama-freak** · 04-13-2007, 05:08 AM

Don't worry i guess we all slip up at times

**Jalek Moye** · 04-13-2007, 05:15 AM

this thread is just like if i decided to post a thread saying that tkd and kick based are flawed becasue of using mostly kicks because i can grab it. Or the same with many other styles, just because you've bit one to a couple people doesnt mean tha tyour gonna do the same move on the next person who might not even grab you the same. Also thigns dont always go as planned.

**47MartialMan** · 04-13-2007, 07:07 AM

JJ is a grappling art, though trad JJ has some other tactics.

Define what is "grappling".

Trad JJ is a grappling based perhaps on the percentages of the tricks being used to seize/hold.

**JackG** · 04-13-2007, 07:10 AM

in this case martial man he means groundwork, you could call it a grappling art becuase it all very mucha close quarters art

**47MartialMan** · 04-13-2007, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JackG

in this case martial man he means groundwork, you could call it a grappling art becuase it all very mucha close quarters art

Lets get on the same page of terminology.

Grappling, such as that to seize and control, also to render/immobilize.

Groundwork, such as the confrontation on rhe surface level.

I had studied JJ in the 60's and it seemed like grappling and groundwork to me. Back then the tactics in whole, were referred to as "tricks"

So you are saying that JJ isnt grappling and groundwork?

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