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basically my main thing was alot of people confuse BJJ with tradtional Japanese jitsu he thought the tradiontal jitsu had as much groundwork , stuff like arm bars chokes etc as BJJ . I was trying to explain it has that but its not as nearly as much emphasis as BJJ becuase there are locks throws and break falling that also play a MAJOR roll-excuse the pun
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basically my main thing was alot of people confuse BJJ with tradtional Japanese jitsu he thought the tradiontal jitsu had as much groundwork , stuff like arm bars chokes etc as BJJ . I was trying to explain it has that but its not as nearly as much emphasis as BJJ becuase there are locks throws and break falling that also play a MAJOR roll-excuse the pun
Ahh, yes - I agree with you that many have a confusion and some on the BJJ fad, tend to degrade the trad JJJ.
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
And I just seem to be finding all kinds of goodies...
JackG is correct, Japanese Jiujitsu and Brazilian Jiujitsu are very different arts. Japanese jiujitsu is a broader in scope while Brazilian jiujitsu is more grappling and submission oriented. People now, because of it's popularity, automatically assume that jiujitsu = groundfighting and that's not always the case.
As for the biting:
The examples given of someone going for a submission, let's stick with the triangle, and the other person bites them is perfect. As a BJJ guy, I have gotten very used to not striking during sparring. If I was going with someone and managed to slip on a triangle, I would continue that mentality:
I would not be trowing strikes.
Now let's say that person bit me.
You better believe I would rain down a barrage of elbows to the exposed face of my opponent who has nearly no ability to protect his face (ala Anderson Silva vs Travis Lutter).
If I had an armbar and you bit me, I would completely break your arm before letting go of the armbar.
If I was on your back and I was going for a choke and you bit me, I would rain down elbows to the back of your head and neck.
If I was mounted on you and you bit me I would present more elbows to your face.
If I was in side control and you bit me I would drop knees on your face.
I hope this answers your question.
If anyone wants to try sparring with someone adept at BJJ and seeing if biting works feel free to stop by my school anytime. I will have a waiver for you to sign, though.
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And I just seem to be finding all kinds of goodies...
JackG is correct, Japanese Jiujitsu and Brazilian Jiujitsu are very different arts. Japanese jiujitsu is a broader in scope while Brazilian jiujitsu is more grappling and submission oriented. People now, because of it's popularity, automatically assume that jiujitsu = groundfighting and that's not always the case.
As for the biting:
The examples given of someone going for a submission, let's stick with the triangle, and the other person bites them is perfect. As a BJJ guy, I have gotten very used to not striking during sparring. If I was going with someone and managed to slip on a triangle, I would continue that mentality:
I would not be trowing strikes.
Now let's say that person bit me.
You better believe I would rain down a barrage of elbows to the exposed face of my opponent who has nearly no ability to protect his face (ala Anderson Silva vs Travis Lutter).
If I had an armbar and you bit me, I would completely break your arm before letting go of the armbar.
If I was on your back and I was going for a choke and you bit me, I would rain down elbows to the back of your head and neck.
If I was mounted on you and you bit me I would present more elbows to your face.
If I was in side control and you bit me I would drop knees on your face.
I hope this answers your question.
If anyone wants to try sparring with someone adept at BJJ and seeing if biting works feel free to stop by my school anytime. I will have a waiver for you to sign, though.
Obviously, you may have been severely bitten
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Nope, but I am always aware of it when sparring with newbies or with TMA guys. It's the last resort of a desperate man when they are frustrated and tired. I have had people try, though.
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Although I do agree that all the possibilities that you have presented would work, I think you are misinterpreting what a bite would do. Since, as you say, you are not accustomed to striking while grappling in class, it is not your usual mind set in a fight. (How to train is how you fight.) So, someone taking a good chomp on your arm is likely to have one of two effects:
1. You are surprised. This may cause you to grip tighter and turn a lock into a break (good) or this may distract you enough to give your opponent the chance to escape. Now, whether or not he actually escapes, that is up to him.
2. The adrenaline is pumping and you don't notice. While you continue to wrestle with the person he is biting down on you causing more and more damage. Human bites the break the skin are particularly prone to infection and complication, so this would mean a strong possibility of a hospital visit.
I think, basically, what is apparent here is that there are so many possibilities and outcomes during a fight that it is impossible to prepare for everything. It is equally impossible to gauge how a fight will go down on a forum by saying "I would do this..." Just look at the possibilities laid out here. Everything from one guy escaping and no one getting seriously hurt to both of you ending up in the hospital, which is pretty much the range of a getting into a fight to begin with.
Although, if you are saying that BJJ techniques deal with biting better than the original poster thinks, then you point is well made.
Although I do agree that all the possibilities that you have presented would work, I think you are misinterpreting what a bite would do. Since, as you say, you are not accustomed to striking while grappling in class, it is not your usual mind set in a fight. (How to train is how you fight.) So, someone taking a good chomp on your arm is likely to have one of two effects:
1. You are surprised. This may cause you to grip tighter and turn a lock into a break (good) or this may distract you enough to give your opponent the chance to escape. Now, whether or not he actually escapes, that is up to him.
2. The adrenaline is pumping and you don't notice. While you continue to wrestle with the person he is biting down on you causing more and more damage. Human bites the break the skin are particularly prone to infection and complication, so this would mean a strong possibility of a hospital visit.
I think, basically, what is apparent here is that there are so many possibilities and outcomes during a fight that it is impossible to prepare for everything. It is equally impossible to gauge how a fight will go down on a forum by saying "I would do this..." Just look at the possibilities laid out here. Everything from one guy escaping and no one getting seriously hurt to both of you ending up in the hospital, which is pretty much the range of a getting into a fight to begin with.
Although, if you are saying that BJJ techniques deal with biting better than the original poster thinks, then you point is well made.
I definitely agree with you that you can never know how a fight will go nor is there any way to guage that if A happens you will do B and therefore C will happen. That's what people thought Katas would help them prepare for and they just don't do that. I shouldn't have gone down that path, it's slippery.
I do know that I teach and train BJJ and submission wrestling 6 days as week. I spar with all ranges of people from brand new guys to black belts in the sport. I have seen a lot of variables in my days. I have also trained a lot of MMA with full contact strikes. I have a good understanding of what I am good at and what I am bad at. I know when I am an in a dangerous situation and how to prepare to deal with that. So, when asked "what would you do" I am usually trying to give personal experiences because I have had some pretty intense situations occur while sparring. My personal experience would tell me that unless you are in a dominant position (like mount, or side control or back mount) biting might put you in more danger than the effect you were looking for.
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The moment one trains from one art to another, with different methods, that is MMA. I cant understand why some think MMA is a separate martial art or in its own class.
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
The moment one trains from one art to another, with different methods, that is MMA. I cant understand why some think MMA is a separate martial art or in its own class.
I agree that technically, the term "Mixed Martial Arts" implies training in different arts but I think practice that's not really true. When you train MMA you usaully train for all areas AT ONCE. So someone training MMA may not see any separation.
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I agree that technically, the term "Mixed Martial Arts" implies training in different arts but I think practice that's not really true. When you train MMA you usaully train for all areas AT ONCE. So someone training MMA may not see any separation.
Training for all areas at once, or at different intervals would still constitute Mixing.....
Therefore, many people I know who have done multiple at the same time, back then called it "cross training"....
Even the late Bruce Lee had MMA.
It is a term created to signify a sport though it is an inaccurate or bland term.
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
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