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What's going on here? I make a post on the forum about inventing a Capoeira/Jujitsu MA where you throw people with your legs, and then I find this. Cheeky git nicked my idea a founded a martial arts school when I wasn't looking!
Seriously though, what does everyone think of this sort of Jujitsu? Are the 'leggy' throws real Jitsu throws or something this guy's invented?
1. Anyone fighting against someone there own size or bigger will lose as about 1/2 those techniques require the person's weight to take them down. You grab on to me and jump into the air, I'm putting you on your ass no questions asked. I might go down to, but I'm going down on top and you are too busy to break fall.
2. Quantum is a word which is most commonly taken to mean 'very small.' The literal translation 'indivisible unit' may seem like a cool thing for martial arts but really it is indivisible because it is so small, not because it is strong.
1. Anyone fighting against someone there own size or bigger will lose as about 1/2 those techniques require the person's weight to take them down. You grab on to me and jump into the air, I'm putting you on your ass no questions asked. I might go down to, but I'm going down on top and you are too busy to break fall.
i dunno.... i know that BJJ has a flying arm bar and you can only do it easily if you are smaller than the person you are fighting and the BJJ instructor i had for awhile said that it is very effective for smaller people. i don't care how big you are you can support someone jumping on your arm like that... you have to contend with the full body weight of the person plus their momentum.... the instructor said that someone half his size did this to him and got him good. i am not saying is would be an easy or practical move to pull off, but i think the theory is sound
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that was some very impressive jujitsu to me. only other people i see do those kinds of techniques are the sambo guys.
i think they are underrated an underused. when i get more advanced i wanna learn those cause they are not used much an are unexpected if your real good with em....kinda risky sometimes but when u pull it off....it opens up the opponent for a submission
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Did anyone notice how long he took to set up those moves? Half of them had his 'opponent' just standing there with their hands down their pants.. In a real situation with a struggling opponent he would be hard pressed to pull those moves off. And as Chapel said, against a heavier, stronger or smarter opponent more then half those throws would end with the sensei getting his face stomped into the concrete. As for the bjj flying arm bar bit, I have had a bjj guy try that on me in a no holds barred sparring session. Details aside, it doesn`t work so well against someone who hits back. The real martial arts are not flashy but they work. This guy would work great in the WWE however.
Right at about the :38 seconds all you would have to do is collapse you knees and push on the guys chest. His back goes into the ground and he has no limbs to break fall with. The moves are flashy and probably hurt the person a lot, but the counters are devastating to the person.
Did anyone notice how long he took to set up those moves? Half of them had his 'opponent' just standing there with their hands down their pants..
i am sorry but i get this all the time with my HKD techniques and it really bugs me. yeah for practice you have to go slow so you do not hurt the guy and so it is controlled. not to mention it is a demo.... not a fight a demo, you want to show the techniques and show case them, which means ideal circumstances. in fact a lot of what was done in that video was very similar to basic HKD moves, thus i know they are effective. and yes at intro levels you are taught moves based on ideal circumstances and that makes them questionable effective, but as you progress you learn the the principals of why the technique works and thus can improvise and use it in less than ideal situations.
C'mon Disgruntled, everyone realises its a demo. Thats why people like myself and Chapel are pointing out the reality of a fight. The criticism was directed to the quantum jujitsu man.I'm sorry to hear that you get criticised over you Hapkido training. However in Hapkido and regular Jujitsu the techniques that are practiced are usually techniques that work and have been included as a result of the systems past masters experience in actual combat. This guy however..
Why, if you have locked a persons arm and have them in a vulnerable position, would you then hop on one hand and perform a questionable monkey kick to the head? Even with quads like a phonebook you would only piss the other guy off. And at the start the other guy waits whilst he does a little cartwheel, gets his legs into position and throws the guy. To start with, he wouldn`t be able to hold the other guy in place while he was doing the cartwheel. Secondly he appeared to be moving as fast as he could and still control his movements enough to perform a technique. And it really wasn`t that fast. The other guy could have scratched his ass and been back into position before he was thrown. And going into a handstand in order to get a leglock? What was to stop the other guy dropping to one knee and placing his elbow into this chaps chap? The fact that, like you said, it was a demo. And I wouldn`t say that he was holding back from hurting his assistants. Once he was ready he performed the techniques with the ferocity of an insecure security guard. Rather, I would say his was mentally preparing himself to perform these gymnastic moves in the same way a gymnast would before performing a difficult technique. Which would raise concern as to its effectiveness in a non dojo situation.
Things he did well: The suplex was nice to see if badly performed, though he has buckleys doing it to a bigger guy(not to mention they would both be screwed on concrete). The leg lifts and front takedowns were cool, but again the effectiveness of his technique would be severly limited against a bigger, stronger opponent. The only moves that would be feasable in a non demo situation are the legs sweeps at the end. And one can learn those is a regular, non quantum jujitsu.
One thing is for sure, he is trying really hard to be unique. Unfortunatly for him everything that works has been done already.
ok you make a good point, a lot of what he did was not practical, but in fairness either is a huricane kick, but i still wanna learn it. i geuss in the end it comes down to why you want to learn MA. i like the disapline of the body part of MA and learning what i am capable of preforming. and in that sense quantum jujitsu looks really fun and challenging... but i still say that some of those techniques are more effective because of all the jumping and twisting.... not all, some just look cool, but they do follow basic prinipals.... we could look at each move he performs individually to fully critque it, but i don't have the energy and i could only find 3 you tube vid on this MA and i don't want to do extensive research and i think that without understanding the MA better it might end up being a like a debate between two blind people about what they see.
Good call there, Disgruntled. These are some good looking kicks that show mastery of other basic concepts and maybe aren't supposed to be that useful in a fight (like at 540 kick for example).
Either way, over use of the term quantum in order to sound smart and futuristic is still an annoyance of mine.
Looking at it like that it's just like playing a Capoeira Roda. Being able to do all those things would be cool even if it didn't translate into street techniques.
I saw that video at work (Quantum JuJitsu), looks good but, as with alot of what I see in the world fo jujitsu if your partner doesn't know how to react just as well as you know how to do the moves than they generally don't look as good as on the video,
That Sensei is very athletic and can make moves look good by teaching his students how to react Ill give him that but as for as "real World Tactics" go I perfer things that are a little less high risk.
As far as the Yellow Bamboo ,
Obi-wan was teaching me jedi mind tricks but I think I will have to cantact that guy, he's the man...... hehehehe
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