JJJ or BJJ to enhance Judo

[UB#1]

I have started taking Judo and love it. I have a chance to train in Japenese Ju-Jitsu or Brazilin Ju-Jitsu to complement my Judo. The main difference between the two that I have been given is that JJJ has a more stand up focus. Is this true, and which one would give me the best edge in Judo tournaments? Most sites I see quote that about 85-90% of fights end up on the ground. However, I want my focus to be the 100% that start standing up. Which one would best help me in that fouces and meets?

[The End]

Problem with a lot of JJJ schools is that they don't do as much live trainign with full resistance as with BJJ schools. Most of the things taught in JJJ wouldn't be that useful in Judo tournaments either such as small joint manipulation, strikes, gouges, kicks, etc. It is just in my opinion that BJJ would be better to compliment your Judo. For me, I did the opposite, taking Judo to enhance my BJJ and it has helped a lot.

[WC_Lun]

Originally Posted by UB#1

I have started taking Judo and love it. I have a chance to train in Japenese Ju-Jitsu or Brazilin Ju-Jitsu to complement my Judo. The main difference between the two that I have been given is that JJJ has a more stand up focus. Is this true, and which one would give me the best edge in Judo tournaments? Most sites I see quote that about 85-90% of fights end up on the ground. However, I want my focus to be the 100% that start standing up. Which one would best help me in that fouces and meets?

Don't believe the 85 to 90% thing either. I'm not saying don't train for grappling/ground fighting. Many fights do go to the ground and not training for it would be silly. However, I would recomend training a good stand stand up system like Western Boxing, Muay Tai, or a decent Wing Chun to compliment your other skills. Of course, that is assuming you are wanting self-defense. If its to stregthen grappling for those types of tournaments then somehting like BJJ would work best. However, many BJJ prationers then find the desire to study a good stand up system. Vicious little circle, huh?

[SirokiFighter]

IMO. is best not take either. and take striking martial art. no reason to take jjj at all. you could take bjj but it is very similar to judo when it gets to grappling, same as jjj, but there are some differences between bjj, and judo. doing bjj would be better choice. you do many of the same moves in judo, jjj, and bjj, so really, just do striking art. or try wrestling if anything. i either say take striking art, or wrestling. IMO

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by WC_Lun

Don't believe the 85 to 90% thing either. I'm not saying don't train for grappling/ground fighting. Many fights do go to the ground and not training for it would be silly. However, I would recomend training a good stand stand up system like Western Boxing, Muay Tai, or a decent Wing Chun to compliment your other skills. Of course, that is assuming you are wanting self-defense. If its to stregthen grappling for those types of tournaments then somehting like BJJ would work best. However, many BJJ prationers then find the desire to study a good stand up system. Vicious little circle, huh?

I agree.

Though Judo is good, dont expect to remain in Judo, competition wise (or other) and expect that JJ/BJJ will not interfere.

Work on Judo for awhile, then worry about working on another art.

Too many people get caught up with hype, propaganda, speculation.

If you have a bonefide instructor - train.

If you are training with them, train harder and longer.

Training longer and harder will take a few years.

After a few years, move onto another art

[TRIANGLEFROMGAURD]

What are your goals?

Be careful with JJJ schools a lot are just Akido or Akijitsu schools that have added a Jiu-Jitsu program because of it's popularity.

Are you talking on what will help you in Judo competition or like SD or MMA or what?

Too many answers are flying around and the question leaves to much speculation

[marksmarkou]

If its for tournement fighting, then I would defo add BJJ to it. if its for self defence then JJJ.

[Sake Sipper]

Originally Posted by SirokiFighter

IMO. is best not take either. and take striking martial art. no reason to take jjj at all. you could take bjj but it is very similar to judo when it gets to grappling, same as jjj, but there are some differences between bjj, and judo. doing bjj would be better choice. you do many of the same moves in judo, jjj, and bjj, so really, just do striking art. or try wrestling if anything. i either say take striking art, or wrestling. IMO

This is good advice.

[47MartialMan]

I say stick with whats readily avaialable location and financial for a little while, then worry about other arts later.

[Joemoplata]

If all you are looking to do is compliment your Judo as you stated in your post, then a good BJJ program is best for you. I say this because in most Judo programs the concentration is on nage-waza, or throwing techniques. This makes sense since the easiest way to score a victory in a Judo competition is with an Ippon throw. But in Judo you can also win with submissions on the ground which is BJJ's strength. So they compliment each other PERFECTLY....Judo for getting the fight to the ground the quickest way, BJJ for submitting someone on the ground the quickest way.

Japanese Jiu-Jitsu is a much broader focus and will cover things that are good for self defense but impractical for any application in Judo.

[SirokiFighter]

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

If all you are looking to do is compliment your Judo as you stated in your post, then a good BJJ program is best for you. I say this because in most Judo programs the concentration is on nage-waza, or throwing techniques. This makes sense since the easiest way to score a victory in a Judo competition is with an Ippon throw. But in Judo you can also win with submissions on the ground which is BJJ's strength. So they compliment each other PERFECTLY....Judo for getting the fight to the ground the quickest way, BJJ for submitting someone on the ground the quickest way.

Japanese Jiu-Jitsu is a much broader focus and will cover things that are good for self defense but impractical for any application in Judo.

you forget. you learn many submission techniques in judo. akmost the same ones you would learn in bjj.

[SirokiFighter]

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

What are your goals?

Be careful with JJJ schools a lot are just Akido or Akijitsu schools that have added a Jiu-Jitsu program because of it's popularity.

Are you talking on what will help you in Judo competition or like SD or MMA or what?

Too many answers are flying around and the question leaves to much speculation

aiki-jujutsu has always had grappling techniques in it. they wern't taken from jiu-jitsu for popularity reasons. where jiu-jitsu has grappling and striking. aiki-jujutsu focuses on grappling, and standing joint manipulation. similar joint manipulation to hapkido.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by SirokiFighter

you forget. you learn many submission techniques in judo. akmost the same ones you would learn in bjj.

Originally Posted by SirokiFighter

aiki-jujutsu has always had grappling techniques in it. they wern't taken from jiu-jitsu for popularity reasons. where jiu-jitsu has grappling and striking. aiki-jujutsu focuses on grappling, and standing joint manipulation. similar joint manipulation to hapkido.

Indeed. People may not realize that mainland Japanese Judo is different than, US and abroad. Professor Kano was grand in Jiu Jitsu