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So we're all guilty of squeezing the rib cage whilst doing groundwork but what is the official standing on it.
In training last night I was in a defensive 'turtle' position and my opponant simply put his arms round my chest and squeezed, he's a bit of a big feller and caused some pain including a click and I tapped out.
Woke up this morning with some nice bruising (not too much pain so i don't think i cracked a rib) around the ribs.
IJF guide to infringements in international standard tournaments.
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SHIDO (Slight Infringements Group)
(a) Shido is given to any contestant who has committed a slight infringement:
(1) To intentionally avoid taking Kumikata in order to prevent action in the contest.
(2) To adopt in a standing position, after Kumikata, an excessively defensive posture. (Generally more than 5 seconds).
(3) To make an action designed to give the impression of an attack but which clearly shows that there was no intent to throw the opponent. (False attack).
(4) To stand, both feet completely within the danger zone unless - beginning an attack, executing an attack, countering the opponent's attack or defending against the opponent's attack. (Generally more than 5 seconds)
(5) In a standing position, to continually hold the opponent's sleeve end(s) for a defensive purpose (Generally more than 5 seconds) or to grasp by "screwing up" the sleeve end(s).
(6) In a standing position, to continually keep the opponent's fingers of one or both hands interlocked, in order to prevent action in the contest.
(Generally more than 5 seconds).
(7) To intentionally disarrange his own Judogi or to untie or retie the belt or the trousers without the Referee's permission.
(8) To pull the opponent down in order to start Newaza unless in accordance with Article 16.
(9) To insert a finger or fingers inside the opponent's sleeve or bottom of his trousers.
(10) In a standing position to take any grip other than a "normal" grip without attacking. (Generally more than 5 seconds).
(11) In a standing position, before or after Kumikata has been established, not to make any attacking moves. (See Appendix Non-Combativity).
(12) To hold the opponent's sleeve end(s) between the thumb and the fingers (“Pistol” grip).
(13) To hold the opponent’s sleeve end(s) by folding it over (“Pocket” grip).
(14) From a standing position, to take hold of the opponent's foot/feet, leg(s) or trouser leg(s) with the hand(s), unless simultaneously attempting a throwing technique.
(15) To encircle the end of the belt or jacket around any part of the opponent's body.
(16) To take the Judogi in the mouth. (either his own or his opponent’s Judogi).
(17) To put a hand, arm, foot or leg directly on the opponent's face.
(18) To put a foot or a leg in the opponent's belt, collar or lapel.
(19) To apply Shime-waza using the bottom of the jacket or belt, or using only the fingers.
(20) To go outside the contest area or intentionally force the opponent to go outside the contest area either in standing position or in Newaza. (See Article 9 - "Exceptions").
(21) To apply leg scissors to the opponent's trunk (Dojime), neck or head. (Scissor with crossed feet, while stretching out the legs).
(22) To kick with the knee or foot, the hand or arm of the opponent, in order to make him release his grip, or to kick the opponent’s leg or ankle without applying any technique.
(23) To bend back the opponent's finger(s) in order to break his grip.
HANSOKU-MAKE (Grave Infringements Group)
(b) Hansoku-make is given to any contestant who has committed a Grave Infringement (or who having been given three (3) Shidos, commits a further Slight Infringement):
(24) To apply Kawazu-gake. (To throw the opponent by winding one leg around the opponent's leg, while facing more or less in the same direction as the opponent and falling backwards onto him).
(25) To apply Kansetsu-waza anywhere other than to the elbow joint.
(26) To lift off the Tatami the opponent who is lying on the Tatami and to drive him back onto the Tatami.
(27) To reap the opponents supporting leg from the inside when the opponent is applying a technique such as Harai-goshi etc.
(28) To disregard the Referee's instructions.
(29) To make unnecessary calls, remarks or gestures derogatory to the opponent or Referee during the contest.
(30) To make any action which may endanger or injure the opponent especially the opponent's neck or spinal vertebrae, or may be against the spirit of Judo.
(31) To fall directly to the Tatami while applying or attempting to apply techniques such as Ude-hishigi-waki-gatame.
(32) To "dive" head first, onto the Tatami by bending forward and downward while performing or attempting to perform techniques such as Uchimata, Harai-goshi, etc. or to fall directly backwards while performing or attempting to perform techniques such as Kata-guruma whether standing or kneeling.
(33) To intentionally fall backwards when the other contestant is clinging to his back and when either contestant has control of the other's movement.
(34) To wear a hard or metallic object (covered or not).
I believe what you are insiuating falls under the category of Number 30, of tournament infringements issued by the IJF
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If the guy has his arms wrapped around your waist this is actually a good thing, it's easy to roll him over this way. And No, you shouldn't be tapping for this ever!
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I thought there wouldnt be any direct reference to it so it looks like its open to interpretation.
It depends how traditional you are, Kano created the sport as a way to fight without badly hurting each other, for example he created because he was sick of jujitsu basically in the way that you would just hammer your opponent lol
It depends how traditional you are, Kano created the sport as a way to fight without badly hurting each other, for example he created because he was sick of jujitsu basically in the way that you would just hammer your opponent lol
No he created the at because he felt that jujutsu did not allow you to practice moves at full speed against a resisting opponent. Kano felt that training in techniques that you could not pactice at full force would fail you when you tried to do them for real not, because he felt jujutsu was to hardcore or anything like that.
When I held my training partner from his waist level by grabbing my own wrist from his behind, my instructor told me that I wasn't allowed to do that and I should grab the opponent's belt. So ruleswise, I think you're not allowed to do that while standing.
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When I held my training partner from his waist level by grabbing my own wrist from his behind, my instructor told me that I wasn't allowed to do that and I should grab the opponent's belt. So ruleswise, I think you're not allowed to do that while standing.
Interesting...
Could be. The rules of Judo competition are confusing to me.
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As far as I was told with Judo competition, you are not allowed to grip flesh.
I.E grabbing any flesh, your opponents or your own is against the rules, grips must be on the opponents uniform. Holds against flesh need to be done by bracing with the arms or pushing with the forearms.
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Knowing nothing about Judo or anything, I would say that this is relying on strength above technique at best (unless you count the Heimlich as a technique).
No he created the at because he felt that jujutsu did not allow you to practice moves at full speed against a resisting opponent. Kano felt that training in techniques that you could not pactice at full force would fail you when you tried to do them for real not, because he felt jujutsu was to hardcore or anything like that.
Well this may be the case but i have been taught and have read in many books that he created it for this reason, to simulate a death etc. in battle but without actually harming your opponent to this degree. Thats why points are awarded for a throw where your opponent has landed on his back as in battle this would be virtually certain death for them
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Well this may be the case but i have been taught and have read in many books that he created it for this reason, to simulate a death etc. in battle but without actually harming your opponent to this degree. Thats why points are awarded for a throw where your opponent has landed on his back as in battle this would be virtually certain death for them
Could you explain why landing on your back woul be virtual sudden death? Granted, laying on the ground in the middle of a battle probably isn't the best place to be, but virtual certain death? What am I missing?
Well this may be the case but i have been taught and have read in many books that he created it for this reason, to simulate a death etc. in battle but without actually harming your opponent to this degree. Thats why points are awarded for a throw where your opponent has landed on his back as in battle this would be virtually certain death for them
This is not at all what I have read or been told about Kano's reasons for Judo.
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