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I wonder if anyone here know the etymology of the word "kata".
First I had to look up the word "etymology" then I typed in "kata" on Wikipedia. The literal translation for the word (according to Wikipedia) is "form." I'm not sure if that was exactly what you were looking for, but hey, I try.
First I had to look up the word "etymology" then I typed in "kata" on Wikipedia. The literal translation for the word (according to Wikipedia) is "form." I'm not sure if that was exactly what you were looking for, but hey, I try.
Do Okinawans actually use the term (not from Japanese association)
You know what? I'm actually going to ask my Sensei this morning when I go to class. Although, I am about 90% that the Okinawans use the word in their training and such.
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You know what? I'm actually going to ask my Sensei this morning when I go to class. Although, I am about 90% that the Okinawans use the word in their training and such.
Indeed. But where did the Okinawans get the term?
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
According to Merriam-Webster Dictionary, the etymology of the word is Japanese.
kata
Main Entry: ka·ta
Pronunciation: \ˈkä-(ˌ)tä\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural kata or katas
Etymology: Japanese, literally, model, pattern
Date: 1945
: a set combination of positions and movements (as in karate) performed as an exercise
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You are obviously driving at trivia that is either very obscure or wrong. What is the answer?
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That's what I was beginning to think.
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Originally Posted by souldrum71
According to Merriam-Webster Dictionary, the etymology of the word is Japanese.
kata
Main Entry: ka·ta
Pronunciation: \ˈkä-(ˌ)tä\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural kata or katas
Etymology: Japanese, literally, model, pattern
Date: 1945
: a set combination of positions and movements (as in karate) performed as an exercise
So we can accurately trace/use etymology of said term via "English" dictionaries?
I did many extensive searches of eytmology for English, which let me to a curiosity of etymology in other cultures, like Asian.
Strange, many martial art related words/terms, stem from China and/or Sanskrit
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Strange, many martial art related words/terms, stem from China and/or Sanskrit
The words, as you've pointed out yourself on many occasions betrays little in the way of meaning - "a rose by any other name..."?
Hence, the root for the word Kata says more about language than the actual practice.
It's like saying "Fighting" comes from Old-English/Anglo-Saxon "Foehtan" which comes from the root-word German "Fechtens" and hence all English fighting is actually German...(?)
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The words, as you've pointed out yourself on many occasions betrays little in the way of meaning - "a rose by any other name..."?
Hence, the root for the word Kata says more about language than the actual practice.
It's like saying "Fighting" comes from Old-English/Anglo-Saxon "Foehtan" which comes from the root-word German "Fechtens" and hence all English fighting is actually German...(?)
Nah, I was just implying how strange words come to be. How little many do not realise and tend to be "stuck on something", believing they have the "purest/original form" (General comment, not directed to anyone here.)
In addition, to try and stimulate conversation and stusious curiousity.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
I did many extensive searches of eytmology for English, which let me to a curiosity of etymology in other cultures, like Asian.
Your research into the English language leading to many other languages doesn't surprise me. One of the great things about English is that it tends to absorb words and phrases of other languages (i.e. karaoke, latte, et cetera, polteirgeist, marijuana). It also allows for the constant creation of words to add to the vocabulary (bling-bling, foshizzle, google).
__________________ "An eye for an eye only blinds the world." - Ghandi
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein
"Without deviation from the norm progress is not possible." - Frank Zappa
It also allows for the constant creation of words to add to the vocabulary (bling-bling, foshizzle, google).
I don't care what anyone says, those are not words that are a part of standard written modern English. People may use them, but that doesn't mean they are correct. I would still mark off for all 3 of those on a high school English final. (Unless it was a 'creative writing' task and they were telling me what a character said.)
Also, this isn't unique to English. Lots of languages adopt words and old words get new usages and contexts. The reason scientists use Latin so often is because it is a dead language so that the ideas of science will only change with the science and not with the language.
So any way... where does Kata come from? It is pretty obvious that no one can find it beyond the English adopted word.
Your research into the English language leading to many other languages doesn't surprise me. One of the great things about English is that it tends to absorb words and phrases of other languages (i.e. karaoke, latte, et cetera, polteirgeist, marijuana). It also allows for the constant creation of words to add to the vocabulary (bling-bling, foshizzle, google).
As this is happening, non-English people have a hard time trying to keep up.
I love etymology......it also has it own "Urban Legends"
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
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then I typed in "kata" on Wikipedia. The literal translation for the word (according to Wikipedia) is "form." I'm not sure if that was exactly what you were looking for, but hey, I try. 
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