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One might even call Karate (traditionally) a bone-breaking art since most grappling and throws were intended to break the wrist or elbow and land you on your face.
One might even call Karate (traditionally) a bone-breaking art since most grappling and throws were intended to break the wrist or elbow and land you on your face.
Geez- The idea of breaking a wrist or elbow for throwing wasnt the main emphasis. To get the opponent off-balanced, off their feet in order to get higher ground advantage.
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
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I would have to say that this would be dependent on the school. Some of the karate schools did indeed teach grappling attacks that were meant to break bones or dislocate joints. Most of Shorin Ryu's attacks sit somewhere in the middle, where their effect depends on how the karateka positions his feet and where he applies the leverage. A matter of a few inches or stepping at a different angle makes the difference between bending the body against itself or pushing the opponent off balance.
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This is true, however the block and grab approach of say old school shotokan, also followed with a variety of wrist lock applications and controls. The basic cross arm bar (juji-gatame in jujitsu, aikido and judo) was often taught with a shuto or palm strike against the elbow.
There is more then one style of karate, and not all follow the same path of the others. The Okinawan styles have a heavier root in grappling then, say Japanese systems like Shotokan.
I am not on disagreement that some throws can break somethng, per if the opponent does flow with it.
But a throw is not neccesarily one to break something on someone, is my point
Well we have different teaching, because I see a throw with one of two possiblities. 1) you break the arm or wrist during the throw or 2) you fracture the facial bones or skull from the throw. But, as I said different schools of thought.
One of the best books that show a lot of karate throws and grappling methods is Bunkai Jutsu by Iain Abernethy and Karate grappling methods (same author)
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I would like to add Kane and Wilder's The Way of Kata (though they are Goju Ryu stylists, it makes for a good manual on how to find the applications in a kata, including throws). Another good one for Shotokan stylists is Bruce Clayton's Shotokan's Secret: The Hidden Truth behind Karate's Fighting Origins. Clayton looks at history and the katas and comes up with some interesting theories concerning modern karate and the applications lost over the years. I am not a historian, so I cannot say how accurate his theories are, but they do make sense.
Throws and Grappling in Karate?
The idea of breaking a wrist or elbow for throwing wasnt the main emphasis. To get the opponent off-balanced, off their feet in order to get higher ground advantage.
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