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In my recent study of Shotokan History I came across some Interesting facts about Okinowa, In particular how wrestling was the popular past time of the common people, some of these same people must of studied studied Ti and some grappling obviously found its way from China into Ti.
Ive already discovered that the JKA removed over 200 throws from The shotokan syllabus over the years in order to make karate easier to teach on a mass scale. The shotokan I study is very Much sensie Eneoda's legacy he left to the KUGB.
I am interested in knowing if anyone here studies any throws or grappling as part of their shotokan, Wadoryu , or other Karate training of Okinowan descent.
and if one wanted to eventually learn some of these techniques, where would That person need to go, Okinowa? JKA hq in Japan? To a Shorin Ryu Dojo maybe?
Anyones input on this would be much appreciated,
I think as a Karate student It is important to work to evolve the art but also to try peserve it's history as best I can.
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I did a smal amount of karate (2years) as a young child. But throws were never taught
sorry to disappointed however I think you earned some rep there, especially in your attempt to preserve karate I think all students should try to preserve thier art its part of becoming part of it.
It would be interesting to see some karate throws in action at competitions
Shorin Ryu teaches grappling techniques, which are referred to as goshin jitsu. These are mostly ways to deal with attackers who have grabbed you in various holds.
There are also throws and breakfalls in Shorin Ryu.
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Shorin Ryu teaches grappling techniques, which are referred to as goshin jitsu. These are mostly ways to deal with attackers who have grabbed you in various holds.
There are also throws and breakfalls in Shorin Ryu.
Interesting, I hope to learn some shorin ryu someday .
In Ryobu-Kai, we have many throws and joint lock techniques. In the study of Bunkai of the katas, you'll discover that such techniques are inherent in karate. But to add to that, the founder of Ryobu-Kai also study Daito Ryu under Ueshiba (back in the day), so we have a lot of aikijutsu techniques in our curriculum.
I have been practicing Karate for almost 8 years now, and so far I have been taught nothing about throws or grapples, other than how to get out of them of course. my kata's are Goju-ryu style and very little is evident in grabbing.
I have been practicing Karate for almost 8 years now, and so far I have been taught nothing about throws or grapples, other than how to get out of them of course. my kata's are Goju-ryu style and very little is evident in grabbing.
Have you asked your sensei about this? There are a lot of throwing and grappling techniques.
I have been practicing Karate for almost 8 years now, and so far I have been taught nothing about throws or grapples, other than how to get out of them of course. my kata's are Goju-ryu style and very little is evident in grabbing.
Arrrgggh, get thee to a qualified teacher!! Goju Ryu has significant grappling!!
This is my Sensei doing bunkai to Gekkisai Dai Ichi (This is a basic level)
This is Taira Sensei doing a chokusen bunkai of Seipai (Sorry, but both have been posted already..but I need to make a point) Sumimasen:
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hi,
Karate have grappling and throwing techniques. But they aren't like in MMA, something like throwing and ROLLING in the floor looking for a position then submit your oponent.
In Karate most of the techniques are done in combination with strikes. For example close the gap, throw and then follow with a hard strike or a foot stomp or a choke or an arm break. Joint Locks are also done but its better if you "soften up" your oponent first by striking when the oponent is distracted then you do your techniques followed by a finish with a hard strike or a stomp.
Its not the kind of grappling you'll find funtional in a MMA competition, but works in real life encounters.
Tegumi (sometimes called Okinawan Jujutsu or Okinawan Sumo) is one of the forerunners to modern day "karate". I understand this was generally practiced seperately from TE. The Chinese "kenpo" was introduced and influenced these arts and "karate" evolved.
Over the years, the grappling aspects have been ignored and largely lost. Every so often someone comes along and "discovers" the hidden moves in the kata and builds a career out of being the one who restored the lost secrets of karate. But the grappling has most likely been taught continuously and never really lost - it's just that most karate is taught to kids and adults only looking for fun and fitness.
Wado Ryu was created by a Jujutsu master who learned Karate. So it always had throws and grappling. Shotokan has focused more on the fun and fitness aspects of karate, with an emphasis on the types of tournaments where throwing would not be allowed - so that is not taught.
Take a look at Motobuha ****o Ryu and you will find a lot of throwing and grappling in the kata bunkai. Also, take a look at the work Patrick McCarthy has been doing. I trained in Goju Ryu for a while also under 2 different Sensei. We always did grappling. Take a look at Higgaonna's video series - there is some grappling demonstrated there.
One of my Aikido teachers also taught Goju Ryu. He had said that everything that is in Aikido will be found in Goju Ryu. I believe that statement to be true.
I view our Karate as primarily a grappling/throwing art. We use sweeps, throws, chokes, joint locks, etc. And it all comes from the kata.
Well old traditional karate was intended just for self defence and because there will always be close quarter fighting in a self defence situation throws were a part of karate. In the Kihon Gumite and Ohyo Gumite of wado ryu there are a number of throws practiced which have lots of variations. Also when studied PROPERLY each kata has a number of throws and unlike most judo type throws were the opponent lands on there back and is able to breakfall, the throws in kata are designed to do serious damage, hence they land on back, neck, head and anywhere horrible like that. Hope this was a help to you.
hi,
Karate have grappling and throwing techniques. But they aren't like in MMA, something like throwing and ROLLING in the floor looking for a position then submit your oponent.
In Karate most of the techniques are done in combination with strikes. For example close the gap, throw and then follow with a hard strike or a foot stomp or a choke or an arm break. Joint Locks are also done but its better if you "soften up" your oponent first by striking when the oponent is distracted then you do your techniques followed by a finish with a hard strike or a stomp.
Its not the kind of grappling you'll find funtional in a MMA competition, but works in real life encounters.
Thats basically what I syudied, when I was learning Shotokan...
Throws and Grappling in Karate?
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