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So if you started training at 6 years old, you only going to be a blue belt at 16.
Makes sense.
But I have some serious/sincere questions;
In your school, how is rank obtained?
From the amount of time practiced?
Age?
Ability to defeat a person in the next level?
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
In response to the whole thing about a 16 year old teaching class or whatever:
My Sensei often tells the Leadership Team (a group of us, mostly teens, who are learning to become instructors) that he started teaching as a green belt (4 or 5 ranks below black belt in our system) at the age of, I believe, 16. This was teaching adults who were not only older than him, but many of whom outranked him significantly. My Sensei says that had his teacher not thrown him into that he would not be the instructor that he is today...and IMO, he's an amazing teacher.
My point: If you think that you can't learn from someone who is a lower rank than you, or is younger than you, in my opinion you can learn from anyone. Learning in martial arts isn't just about learning the next move in a pattern or perfecting a front kick. Learning is about absorbing absolutely everything. Someone might ask a question that you had never thought of but once asked, you want to know the answer to.
I will reiterate: If you think that you can't learn from someone who is younger than you or a lower rank than you, you cannot learn from anyone.
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Ok, I took today off to go do a demonstration at the dojo today, and wow....Did this ever get out of hand. Anyway, to answer triangles question (at least I THINK it was triangle who asked it) No, I am the head instructor in my school. She assists me, and I occasionally give her 2-6 students to teach. I will on occasion have her warm up the class, but never run the whole class unless it is unavoidable. If I can not be there for whatever reason (It's only happened once in three years) I always give her a curriculum guideline to go by. She can follow it word for word, minute by minute, or she can adlib if she feels the need to. She has been training for 10 years now. I think she knows how to teach a class if she needs to. Sometimes, she is better at communicating what needs to be said than I am, so I will let her take over with that student. I will often allow her to take a new youth student and teach them for the first two weeks. This helps to show the kids that a blackbelt IS attainable, but it really is better for retention. I can be a hard one to get along with at times, and the last thig we need is for me to give some kid 30 pushups on his/her 2nd day there for not saying "Osu" when I tell them to do something or not knowing what a gedan berai uke is.
Yes, my daughter trains in the adult class. In fact, she and her brother have private classes on top of their regular classes. Any other questions? Ask away.
My point: If you think that you can't learn from someone who is a lower rank than you, or is younger than you, in my opinion you can learn from anyone. Learning in martial arts isn't just about learning the next move in a pattern or perfecting a front kick. Learning is about absorbing absolutely everything. Someone might ask a question that you had never thought of but once asked, you want to know the answer to.
I will reiterate: If you think that you can't learn from someone who is younger than you or a lower rank than you, you cannot learn from anyone.[/quote]
i agree with this. you are never too old or too good to learn new things.
So if you started training at 6 years old, you only going to be a blue belt at 16.
A 16 year old blue belt that has been doing jiujitsu for 10 years probably could beat most TMA black belts, to be honest.
depends who taught them, jujitsu is afterall a TMA
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Originally Posted by Gambatte Karate
I never said she got 1st dan in two years! She trained since she was SIX YEARS OLD! She got her Shodan when she was FOURTEEN. She is SIXTEEN now. DAMN!
And if you PAY ATTENTION, you will see that I SAID that BOTH of my kids have been training since they were SIX. And FYI, she actually fractured her radius while testing for her 1st dan. Think she doesn't deserve it, come tell her in person. You have the address. It's all over my website.
It has taken two years SINCE RECIEVING her FIRST dan, to even be CLOSE to be ready to test for her 2nd dan.
I understand, but 2nd dan is no less important than first dan, it should be like taking your kyu grades all over again but with a different aspect, it is no less important
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Originally Posted by Gambatte Karate
You are correct Chapel. 10 years. And I push her harder than any other student because she is MY kid. She has to represent my school.
sign of a bad/bias instructor imo, if I go to a shcol where the instructor is pushing his own further than the rest of the students then I leave.
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Originally Posted by SirokiFighter
how long did it take you to get black belt?
I do not have a black belt, but in the sytem I study it is a minimum of 6 years over the age of 16, most people manage it in 7-8 years, and then the same rule apllies for each dan following that, so a minimum of 12 years for 2nd dan and so on.
In response to the whole thing about a 16 year old teaching class or whatever:
My Sensei often tells the Leadership Team (a group of us, mostly teens, who are learning to become instructors) that he started teaching as a green belt (4 or 5 ranks below black belt in our system) at the age of, I believe, 16. This was teaching adults who were not only older than him, but many of whom outranked him significantly. My Sensei says that had his teacher not thrown him into that he would not be the instructor that he is today...and IMO, he's an amazing teacher.
My point: If you think that you can't learn from someone who is a lower rank than you, or is younger than you, in my opinion you can learn from anyone. Learning in martial arts isn't just about learning the next move in a pattern or perfecting a front kick. Learning is about absorbing absolutely everything. Someone might ask a question that you had never thought of but once asked, you want to know the answer to.
I will reiterate: If you think that you can't learn from someone who is younger than you or a lower rank than you, you cannot learn from anyone.
My post #168;
I agree. But couldn't one learn from a 16 or 61 yr old?
However, though things can be learned and/or taught by just about anyone, why is it that there are standards in real life?
Why arent there 16yr old doctors, lawyers, academic teachers, college professors, etc.....
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Ok, I took today off to go do a demonstration at the dojo today, and wow....Did this ever get out of hand. Anyway, to answer triangles question (at least I THINK it was triangle who asked it) No, I am the head instructor in my school. She assists me, and I occasionally give her 2-6 students to teach. I will on occasion have her warm up the class, but never run the whole class unless it is unavoidable. If I can not be there for whatever reason (It's only happened once in three years) I always give her a curriculum guideline to go by. She can follow it word for word, minute by minute, or she can adlib if she feels the need to. She has been training for 10 years now. I think she knows how to teach a class if she needs to. Sometimes, she is better at communicating what needs to be said than I am, so I will let her take over with that student. I will often allow her to take a new youth student and teach them for the first two weeks. This helps to show the kids that a blackbelt IS attainable, but it really is better for retention. I can be a hard one to get along with at times, and the last thig we need is for me to give some kid 30 pushups on his/her 2nd day there for not saying "Osu" when I tell them to do something or not knowing what a gedan berai uke is.
Yes, my daughter trains in the adult class. In fact, she and her brother have private classes on top of their regular classes. Any other questions? Ask away.
Well, if one can teach what that had studied, then they know their material well.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
I agree. But couldn't one learn from a 16 or 61 yr old?
However, though things can be learned and/or taught by just about anyone, why is it that there are standards in real life?
Why arent there 16yr old doctors, lawyers, academic teachers, college professors, etc.....
Its funny you should mention doctors, lawyers, teachers....each one of those fields requires actual experience in order to get a job.
So would you want to go to a doctor that has never worked on a patient before or done the surgery? Just learned about it? Would you take a business college course from a professor who never worked in the business world? NO. And to get those jobs, you have to actually be able to perform what you learned.
So why would you take a martial art from someone who has never used what they are teaching in a live situation?
I suppose it depends on the art that you are in. For me personally it has less to do with age then experience. If I am going to learn from someone I would like them to have applied what they are teaching in a fight, since I train for fighting. If I was doing form I guess who ever had the moves memorized would be fine.
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So in 10 years Richard will be 14 which is a reasonable age to get a Black belt then?
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Originally Posted by Gambatte Karate
WTF?????????? I never said she got 1st dan in two years! She trained since she was SIX YEARS OLD! She got her Shodan when she was FOURTEEN. She is SIXTEEN now. DAMN!
And if you PAY ATTENTION, you will see that I SAID that BOTH of my kids have been training since they were SIX. And FYI, she actually fractured her radius while testing for her 1st dan. Think she doesn't deserve it, come tell her in person. You have the address. It's all over my website.
It has taken two years SINCE RECIEVING her FIRST dan, to even be CLOSE to be ready to test for her 2nd dan.
Freaking learn to read entire threads or posts please people.
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