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Old 07-14-2007, 06:45 AM   #1 (permalink)

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Black belt in Karate

I have always been a bit sceptical of Karate, and have never seen it as a worthy martial art. However resently i have been convinced to start studying Karate and i am worried that i may have to spend years studying before i can achieve the status of black belt.

I would like to achive a high grade in the art and am willing to put 100% effort, and spend hours every week training, for fitness and techniques.

How long would you expect it to take to reach a black belt in this art, considering the huge amount of effort that will be put forward?

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Old 07-14-2007, 06:51 AM   #2 (permalink)

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why are you so keen to reach black belt?
black belt is a sign of great knowledge and understanding that is reached through time of training - if a man trains 6 times a week fro a a year and another man train twice a week for 3 years he will have a better knowledge and understanding.
I would say 4(minimum training multiple times a week))-8 years for black belt in a good school.
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Old 07-14-2007, 07:02 AM   #3 (permalink)

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well the reson i ask is becasue i am aiming to become a very strong all round fighter and i wish to use many different styles and arts together as one, this is why i wish to study karate. If i wanted to specialise in it then i would train and study very differently.
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Old 07-14-2007, 07:57 AM   #4 (permalink)

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Old 07-14-2007, 08:53 AM   #5 (permalink)

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This is a terrible, terrible answer. Posters beware.
It depends on the person. Okay forum members, no need to use foul langauge. I apologize.
First I would get involved with a school, see if I like it at all. If the master talks in terms of months in awarding black belts, you're in a factory. Get out.
This is an art hundreds of years old and it deserves the maximum amount of time you can put into it. But this should'nt be to much of a hardship, it should be challenging and even fun at times. Concentrate on the next class, not the next belt, and the time will fly by. If this doesn't work, find a style that more closely holds your attention.
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Old 07-14-2007, 09:57 AM   #6 (permalink)

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High schoolers and adults tend to be awarded at diff rates though. I couldnt see it taking me longer than 3 years to get mine in TKD but it will take atleast 5 in Ninjutsu. In Ninjutsu you test every month as a brown belt for about atleast a year until you will receive your black belt. Its so brutal they just throw waves of black belts at them for a hot minute.

Anyway you only want a school that progresses you accurately you dont want to be given something that you didnt earn and you dont want to be denied something that you are ready for.
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I have always been a bit sceptical of Karate, and have never seen it as a worthy martial art. However resently i have been convinced to start studying Karate and i am worried that i may have to spend years studying before i can achieve the status of black belt.

I would like to achive a high grade in the art and am willing to put 100% effort, and spend hours every week training, for fitness and techniques.

How long would you expect it to take to reach a black belt in this art, considering the huge amount of effort that will be put forward?

Thanks!
ok, i would not really recommend this art since there are hardly any good karate teachers in the uk anymore. and you would need to Atleast obtain a black belt before any moves can be used in a street fight. no applications are taught until you reach black belt level. Reaching black belt will normally/should take 4 years or more. But since karate in the uk is more into the money now, the more you pay the faster you get to black belt.
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ok, i would not really recommend this art since there are hardly any good karate teachers in the uk anymore. and you would need to Atleast obtain a black belt before any moves can be used in a street fight. no applications are taught until you reach black belt level. Reaching black belt will normally/should take 4 years or more. But since karate in the uk is more into the money now, the more you pay the faster you get to black belt.
Thats a bit unfair to say there are hardly are good teachers. there a probaly alot
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Rodders isnt bragging or anything. (only messin ) when do you think you will get your black belt now? will you have to give up all together?
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Hey Intercept. I guess my question is why do you want to master this art? Sometimes if you want something way too much, it will never come to you. I guess the way I see the martial arts is more of a way of life rather than something I do, it's not like one day you turn around and there is nothing left to learn. In my eyes at least, there really is no true "master" to any system because the system is always evolving and becoming stronger, faster, more deadly, making it's students closer to immortal (if you understand what I mean) more and more every day.

The person that stands in the rank of the Grand Master is the leader of the clan and the one in charge of evolving the system, it is duty to keep things right and make sure that the system evolves to become a more efficient system. Since the system in itself is always evolving, there is not really any mastering it. Remember, some of the systems out there are thousands of years old, that's a lot to learn in a couple of years. There are people that work their entire life to become what they are, but you notice they are still always striving for more. It's because there is always more, it never ends. So there is really no true "mastering" of it. It's like saying "I'd like to master water". You can control it, and you can contain it, you can even act like it, but I have yet to see anyone that has truly mastered it. Think about it, in one phase or another, water is immortal, it can be broken, but eventually it returns through the natural cycle of things.

I guess what I took the long way to get to was, what's the point of trying to practice something if the only purpose is to try to master it. Even if you do master it one day, then all you're gonna do is turn around and say "Now what"?

You should do it because you enjoy it in your heart, and it gives you purpose, not because it can be something that can be used. Think about it, most of us on here train in the fighting arts, but not all of us train to fight. Get it? it's gotta be more than that. It's gotta be a way of life dude, something that you feel you can spend the rest of life doing, get what I mean?

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i would not worry about it taking too long to learn many styles because once you got one style down and learn the basic principals it is easier to pick up another.
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I agree, this would be like saying that I know everything there is to know about biology or some other scientific field. Things change and in reality all you have done is learned a finite amount of information.
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I disagree. I mastered NCAA Football on PS2.

Oh wait we're talking about MA. Yeah I would say one can be a master, hence people holding the title. It just means uber sick. For all intents and purpose they are a master. Does that mean they are perfect, no. But damn Tom Brady isnt perfect but he's still a "master" of his craft.

At the point of being a master the hardest part is imparting your wisdom into your pupils in a way that they can understand, its not like they are working on stances and stuff.

But like I said before the belt level shouldnt be time related. If I show skill beyond my belt level then I should be tested, if I pass then I move on. I hate being held back for no objective reason. And no this isnt a problem I have, I was just saying overall.
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