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Old 09-12-2007, 01:44 AM   #31 (permalink)

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I would have to make a video, which I dont have time to do, to fully explain to you the method and what not of what Im trying to explain. If you were a black belt + in TKD you would understand where I am coming from, but it seems this is harder to explain than I expected it to be.
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Old 09-12-2007, 01:48 AM   #32 (permalink)

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I would have to make a video, which I dont have time to do, to fully explain to you the method and what not of what Im trying to explain. If you were a black belt + in TKD you would understand where I am coming from, but it seems this is harder to explain than I expected it to be.
i think i got ur point don't forget that i done tae kwon do when i was 10 . do u mean when u do spinning kicks or flying kicks i do agree to throw ur hand to give u balance but my master improved it to be a guarding throw of ur hands .
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i think i got ur point don't forget that i done tae kwon do when i was 10 . do u mean when u do spinning kicks or flying kicks i do agree to throw ur hand to give u balance but my master improved it to be a guarding throw of ur hands .
Your hands are suppost to be up to protect your head/body ect when you kick. That is what I am trying to basicly say. But from the video I posted they were not doing this because they were just trying to score points as quickly as possible. And you did Tae Kwon Do about 9 years ago so that is quite awhile ago. What belt did you get to?
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i think they are not just tkd people they are the championsers of TKD so they must be the elite as i think. try to search a video that proves ur theory and i'll wait for it to make my own video and to prove mine . and we are here seeking to share information and experiance so u r more than welcomed to prove ur theory as i said before (( it is not to fall down , the shame that u couldn't stand up stronger ))
For me to PROVE a theory, you have to first understand what I am saying, which I think you dont.
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For me to PROVE a theory, you have to first understand what I am saying, which I think you dont.
These are my thoughts exactly.
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Your hands are suppost to be up to protect your head/body ect when you kick. That is what I am trying to basicly say. But from the video I posted they were not doing this because they were just trying to score points as quickly as possible. And you did Tae Kwon Do about 9 years ago so that is quite awhile ago. What belt did you get to?
at this time i wasn't caring for belts any more i went to the master i told him in a shaked voice i don't want to participate in competetions i want to be a real fighter he smiled and he began to teach me the kicks of tkd but at this time i studied it in arabic names so i don't no alot about korean and english names .
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plese let me understand what u r talking about now
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at this time i wasn't caring for belts any more i went to the master i told him in a shaked voice i don't want to participate in competetions i want to be a real fighter he smiled and he began to teach me the kicks of tkd but at this time i studied it in arabic names so i don't no alot about korean and english names .

Why do you think he would do that?

Why not? How can it be motivationall genuine if Korean terms are not uesd?
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Ok- WHAT do you THINK MY theory IS?

(If you state that you dont know-it proves my point you didnt understand)
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Ok- WHAT do you THINK MY theory IS?

(If you state that you dont know-it proves my point you didnt understand)
please could u explain mor so i can judge on ur theory honestly whether it was right i believe it or wrong so i try to convince u with my theory .
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Sorry didnt make this all one post. Anyways, TKD is a realistic MA, I dont see how you see it as unrealistic, you've basicly just said that Tae Kwon Do isnt an MA period. Instead its just a sport like basketball. Secondly how do you see the TKD's sparring stance to be bad, I am not being aggressive just curious. Also you said it has bad timing? That GREATLY depends on the person... not the MA its self.
I don't think he was saying this. Rather he was writing TKD when he was referring to 'the guy doing TKD.' That confused me as well.

This is actually an excellent opportunity to express how difficult online communications are. Everyone, try to be as clear as possible when talking about something.

Balance is one of the big things that I stress in my classes for all sorts of off topic reasons. However, there is an easy way to see how balance depends on other things than the foot. Try these and see how much harder is becomes to balance:

1. Stand on one foot and then come up on your toes (basically taking away a wider base)
2. Stand on one foot and close your eyes (basically taking away visual cues as to the vertical)
3. Stand on one foot and wave your arms around erratically (basically taking away a stable counter weight and changing your center of mass)

All of these are harder than just standing and all of these are mistakes that people tend to make when learning kicks in Tae Kwon Do.
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Let me see if I can explain. I am not saying by them dropping their hands they ARE getting BETTER balance. I am saying that it is a natural reflex to drop them as a method in an ATTEMPT to REGAIN balance.

The balance from the arms is (TRYING) a counter weight. To keep the body from tipping over. WHICH, as I stated is not proper teaching/training
actually i didn't notice this Post before.
i got to agree with ur idea no one would disagree with . it is natural instinct . but what i'm trying to say where is there hands before kicking why they don't block then take a counter attack . and we really improved kicking in Full attack so u would kick useing ir firm foot and waist to control ur balance and counter weight and don't do this hand drop tp regaiain balance cause we are really aware about not losing balance at all
so i hope u got my idea as i got urs and really nice effective topic and i was glad for this discussion.
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actually i didn't notice this Post before.
i got to agree with ur idea no one would disagree with . it is natural instinct . but what i'm trying to say where is there hands before kicking why they don't block then take a counter attack . and we really improved kicking in Full attack so u would kick useing ir firm foot and waist to control ur balance and counter weight and don't do this hand drop tp regaiain balance cause we are really aware about not losing balance at all
so i hope u got my idea as i got urs and really nice effective topic and i was glad for this discussion.
Ok basicly what you just said about firm footing/waist and counter weight is exactly how the MA Tae Kwon Do does it... So from what your saying you havnt "improved" kicking, it seems like you just took how the TKD people do it and absorbed it into you new form of martial arts.

Side Note: It also kind of sounds like Muay Tai kicks

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Ok basicly what you just said about firm footing/waist and counter weight is exactly how the MA Tae Kwon Do does it... So from what your saying you havnt "improved" kicking, it seems like you just took how the TKD people do it and absorbed it into you new form of martial arts.

Side Note: It also kind of sounds like Muay Tai kicks
look , we are here to discuss honestly and fairly so there is a theory of 20 attack theories called ((nontelegraphic theory)) which means "to not give ur opponent a sign to the attack"
so we do blieve that TKD is telegraphic and Muay Thai is the most telegraphic thing i'v seen >

so our way of improving is to make kicks less telegraphic as we could .
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look , we are here to discuss honestly and fairly so there is a theory of 20 attack theories called ((nontelegraphic theory)) which means "to not give ur opponent a sign to the attack"
so we do blieve that TKD is telegraphic and Muay Thai is the most telegraphic thing i'v seen
I was discussing things fairly and honestly. I was just trying to get what you were saying, sorry if it came off rude ><. Ok so let me see if I get what your saying. You think TKD gives signs of when they are going to attack yet Muay Thai gives even more signs than TKD? If thats right then here is my opinion. Its unfair to say the MA TKD is not "nontelegraphic" because every form of martial art telegraphs their movement to a point.

However, its the martial artist that can see this. So the more trained you are the easier it is to see what the opponent is going to do. It seems like you are generalizing entire MA's instead of the Martial Artist him/herself. I say this alot because I know its true, but each martial artist is different and some are better than others, therefore, you cant say one MA is more telegraphic than another (I know its your MA's opinion that they are, but this just how Im seeing what your saying) Also like I said the reason some things look more telegraphed than others is because of that specific martial artist. This can be a fake or he just doesnt know how to conceal his movements. Anyways, I know you will have something to say about this so I wont explain further and just wait for what you have to say.
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