Kyokushin "Ultimate Truth"

[MilkManX]

Osu!

Yes. I have been slowly converting a few friends to the Dojo and they all love it.

Osu!

[nwt]

Heres a little bit more imformation:

The Kyokushin system is based on traditional karate like Shotokan and Goju-ryu, but incorporates many elements of combat sports like boxing and kickboxing in kumite. Many techniques are not found in other styles of karate. Today, some Kyokushin fighters (like Francisco Filho and Glaube Feitosa) appear in kickboxing events like K-1.

In this form of karate the instructor and his/her students all must take part in hard sparring to prepare them for full contact fighting. Unlike some forms of karate, Kyokushin places high emphasis on full contact fighting which is done without any gloves or protective equipment. This apparent violence is tempered because non-kick or non-knee strikes are not allowed on an opponents face, aiming to reduce the possibility of serious injury however, knees and kicks to the head and face, are allowed.

In the earliest Kyokushin tournaments and training sessions bare knuckle strikes to the face were allowed but resulted in many injuries, and, thus, students who were forced to withdraw from training. Oyama believed that wearing protective gloves would detract from the realism that the style emphasizes. Therefore, it was decided that hand and elbow strikes to the head and neck would no longer be allowed in training and competition.Furthermore, many governments don't allow bare knuckle strikes to the head in sanctioned martial arts competitions. The vast majority of Kyokushin organizations and "offshoot" styles today still follow this philosophy.

Technically, Kyokushin is a circular style. This is in opposition to Shotokan karate, which is considered a linear style, and closer to Goju-ryu, another mostly circular style. Shotokan and Goju-ryu were the two styles of karate that Oyama learned before creating his own style. However, Oyama studied Shotokan for only a couple of years before he switched to Goju-ryu where he got his advanced training. This is reflected in Kyokushin where the early training closely resembles Shotokan but gradually becomes closer to the circular techniques and strategies of Goju-ryu the higher you advance in the system.

Goshin-jutsu, the specific self defense techniques of the style draw much of their techniques and tactics from Mas Oyamas study of Daitō-ryū Aiki-jūjutsu under Yoshida Kotaro. These techniques were never built into the formal grading system, and as kyokushin grew increasingly sport oriented, the self defence training started to fall into obscurity. Today it is only practiced in a limited number of dojos.

[TKD&JKD]

Two questions. What makes it circular? The use of boxing style punches, and emphasis on round kicks to the legs.

Was he considered a nice person? I don't want to offend anyone but Mas Oyama seems like a bastard. He was definately a hardcore karateka. Maybe one of the toughest hardest trainers of all time. I just saw the bit about his high drop out rate 90%. Also killing bulls to show off hardly seems like something a nice person would do. I saw his face when I was taking down a bull he had a real devilish smile.

To his defense I can kind of admire his drop out rate. He pushed people to their limits. If people didn't like the trainig they could leave. He would not compromise his art for anyone.

[grasshopper]

Originally Posted by nwt

Heres a little bit more imformation:

The Kyokushin system is based on traditional karate like Shotokan and Goju-ryu, but incorporates many elements of combat sports like boxing and kickboxing in kumite. Many techniques are not found in other styles of karate. Today, some Kyokushin fighters (like Francisco Filho and Glaube Feitosa) appear in kickboxing events like K-1.

In this form of karate the instructor and his/her students all must take part in hard sparring to prepare them for full contact fighting. Unlike some forms of karate, Kyokushin places high emphasis on full contact fighting which is done without any gloves or protective equipment. This apparent violence is tempered because non-kick or non-knee strikes are not allowed on an opponents face, aiming to reduce the possibility of serious injury however, knees and kicks to the head and face, are allowed.

In the earliest Kyokushin tournaments and training sessions bare knuckle strikes to the face were allowed but resulted in many injuries, and, thus, students who were forced to withdraw from training. Oyama believed that wearing protective gloves would detract from the realism that the style emphasizes. Therefore, it was decided that hand and elbow strikes to the head and neck would no longer be allowed in training and competition.Furthermore, many governments don't allow bare knuckle strikes to the head in sanctioned martial arts competitions. The vast majority of Kyokushin organizations and "offshoot" styles today still follow this philosophy.

Technically, Kyokushin is a circular style. This is in opposition to Shotokan karate, which is considered a linear style, and closer to Goju-ryu, another mostly circular style. Shotokan and Goju-ryu were the two styles of karate that Oyama learned before creating his own style. However, Oyama studied Shotokan for only a couple of years before he switched to Goju-ryu where he got his advanced training. This is reflected in Kyokushin where the early training closely resembles Shotokan but gradually becomes closer to the circular techniques and strategies of Goju-ryu the higher you advance in the system.

Goshin-jutsu, the specific self defense techniques of the style draw much of their techniques and tactics from Mas Oyamas study of Daitō-ryū Aiki-jūjutsu under Yoshida Kotaro. These techniques were never built into the formal grading system, and as kyokushin grew increasingly sport oriented, the self defence training started to fall into obscurity. Today it is only practiced in a limited number of dojos.

thats very sad to hear, I would hope that self defence is as improtant to instructors as competetion, in fact to be fair with the birth of MMA, it seems the traditional point scoring is a little obselete. Self defense is very important, especially as people who go into karate often go in for self defence.

Originally Posted by TKD&JKD

Two questions. What makes it circular? The use of boxing style punches, and emphasis on round kicks to the legs.

Was he considered a nice person? I don't want to offend anyone but Mas Oyama seems like a bastard. He was definately a hardcore karateka. Maybe one of the toughest hardest trainers of all time. I just saw the bit about his high drop out rate 90%. Also killing bulls to show off hardly seems like something a nice person would do. I saw his face when I was taking down a bull he had a real devilish smile.

To his defense I can kind of admire his drop out rate. He pushed people to their limits. If people didn't like the trainig they could leave. He would not compromise his art for anyone.

what makes it circualr, nwt will be able to answer batter than me, but I will give you my opinion on circualr and linear.

aikido, for example is very circualar, its uses circles in everything it does, outside wrist throws, turning your opponent off balance, all these things require a circualr motion, the footwork is circualar. In fact aki-jutsu literally means 'small circle jujitsu' where all the thrwos locks and takedowns again are based on the circle. Circualr styles gain thier strength indiriectly, in fact many circualar motions and styles and considered 'soft' movements whereby technqiue is used to outdo strength, when your oppnent strikes instead of meeting firce with force with a 'hard' block a circular style will use redirection to guide the force away, nothing redirects better than a circle.

Linear fighting styles are very different. Where circular could be considered 'soft' linear could be considered 'hard' shotokan is very direct - the punches are focused on straight punches normally to the head, moving forwards all the time. Sometimes moving back and then re attacking from a different angle. I dare say wing chun is a relativly linear system (or at least the way I was taught it) with the focus on working to your opponents inner gate, with direct straight line punching and footwork that moves forward and backward.

No system is better than the other, sometimes linear is appropriate sometimes circular is appropriate - both are powerful when used correctly. Few martial arts are soley based on one or the other, although Ive given examples, these examples are because it is what I believe the style mostly focuses on. Often the best way of looking at linear or circualr is in the footwork, the blocking, and the joint manipulation. If these are direct (footwork moving forward and backward, hard solid blocking, meeting attacks head on, joint manipulation that is very fast, striking the joints hard aiming to break them quickly) Then often the style could be considered fairly linear. If however the style is indirect (footwork that moves in circles, 'soft' blocking, redirecting attacks, joint manipulation is circualr movments aimed to control the opponent through use of moving the body in a circle) then it could be considered circualar.

Personally having read some of mas oyamas work I look up to the man greatly, his actions are subjective yes he killed bulls, and yes a high drop out rate, but lets not forget that he once killed a man in self defence (the man weilded a knife) after finding out the man he killed had a family on a farm, mas oyama ceased training out of guilt, went to the farm and worked on the farm until the mans widow had enough maney to retire and had given oyama her full forgivness. I dont think these are the actions of a bad man.

He was also an amazing warrior - his ideals and morals developed through his solitary training are quite a fundamental part of martial arts in my opinion. And although some of his training methods seem a little 'hardcore' or 'outdated' I believe them to still be of value today, he developed a strong style and is worthy of respect.

thankyou for reading

[WC_Lun]

Proper Wing Chun is circular. It seems linear to many people, but it uses circular movement in most of its techniques. These circular movements are usually very small so it seems more linear than it actually is. Also the circles are very rarely side to side, so it is harder for most people to see them.

[grasshopper]

Originally Posted by WC_Lun

Proper Wing Chun is circular. It seems linear to many people, but it uses circular movement in most of its techniques. These circular movements are usually very small so it seems more linear than it actually is. Also the circles are very rarely side to side, so it is harder for most people to see them.

apologiese, I was going to add onto my post - because I got thinking about wing chun, the footwork seems linear to me, but the blocking is realativly circualar, maybe it is a more a mix of the two.

You know more about it than me, thanks for the info +rep

[Chad]

I always liked the idea of shapeps in motion in martial arts, the shapes of all martial arts are always in the books but rarely in lessons, WC has a linear stance for punching and the like but defensive techniques are mostly always circular, interesting combo....

[WC_Lun]

WC stance movement is both linear and circular, depending upon the application of whatever technique you are using. Attacking rarely uses pure linear techniques. The circles are similiar to internal arts, except smaller and never purely side to side. If your techniques are purely linear and circles purely side to side then it isn't high level wing chun.

[reedk]

Kyokushin in my opinion is one of the better styles of karate although all styles of karate are excellent. we do not discriminate against other styles but try to learn from them

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[TKD&JKD]

I have more experience with TKD than Kyokushin, but so far it's my fave Karate style.

[reedk]

I agree with you bro 100%

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