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05-21-2008, 11:13 AM
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| Black Belt I
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so I had almost no respect for karate til i saw this video YouTube - Karate vs Jiujitsu
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05-21-2008, 11:30 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Alabama Styles: Seishin Juku, Shotokan, Taekwondo, Judo, Jujitsu, Aikido, Kyokushin
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Home Country: | Good video. I actually used that same fight in another thread to answer Joemoplata's claims that no BJJ fighter has ever been beaten by a TMA fighter. Of course, I'm of the opinion that style only counts so much. Any person may beat any other person under the right circumstances on any given day.
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05-21-2008, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Hajilee  | There are/were great karate fighters in K-1 as well, so your initial lack of respect for karate seems strange. | |
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05-21-2008, 12:04 PM
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| Black Belt II
Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Alexandria, VA Styles: BJJ, Submission Grappling
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Home Country: | Not a fair comparison, IMO, though because both fighters are trained MMA fighters and therefore have done extensive cross training. The "Karate" guy obviously has some ground work and the jiujitu guy has done some stand-up work.
Kind of like saying that Chuck Lidell is only a Kempo guy and Randy Couture is only a greco-roman wrestler.
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05-21-2008, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Joemoplata Not a fair comparison, IMO, though because both fighters are trained MMA fighters and therefore have done extensive cross training. The "Karate" guy obviously has some ground work and the jiujitu guy has done some stand-up work.
Kind of like saying that Chuck Lidell is only a Kempo guy and Randy Couture is only a greco-roman wrestler. | True, true. But you know how we humans like to try and simplify and label everything so it's easier for our minds to grasp it. 
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05-21-2008, 02:50 PM
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| Black Belt I
Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The land of flying ninjas Styles: ITF TKD, Krav Maga, MMA, Muay Thai, Boxing, BJJ, Judo
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Home Country: | hmm well every where I go to see karate I feel upset at the teachers for cheating the parents.
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Emotions are like babies you have to discipline yourself before you can discipline them
Triangle Chokes - There is a special satisfaction in knowing that the last thing your opponent will remember before blacking out is the smell of your balls.
I wish I had a banana, so I could stuff it down Elmo's throat - My friend.
What do Jesus and Darth Vader have in common?
They Find your lack of faith disturbing.
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05-21-2008, 02:53 PM
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| Black Belt II
Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Alexandria, VA Styles: BJJ, Submission Grappling
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Originally Posted by souldrum71 True, true. But you know how we humans like to try and simplify and label everything so it's easier for our minds to grasp it.
| True, true.
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05-21-2008, 05:01 PM
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| Red Belt
Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Hungary Styles: Wado-ryu karate, Capoeira
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Originally Posted by Hajilee hmm well every where I go to see karate I feel upset at the teachers for cheating the parents. | Check out kyokushin, shidokan on some other full-contact karate style. And okinawan goju-ryu is supposed to be pretty hardcore as well from what I've heard, maybe these might help change your opinion. Though I don't fully understand what you mean by cheating the parents. | |
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05-21-2008, 05:37 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: London Styles: (My boy )SHotokan
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Originally Posted by Hajilee hmm well every where I go to see karate I feel upset at the teachers for cheating the parents. | Well our my boys karate club do all they can to help teach karate the best they can. WKF junior and cadet world champion
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05-21-2008, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Hajilee hmm well every where I go to see karate I feel upset at the teachers for cheating the parents. | I see this a lot too. Picking a good school is really hard and I think that has a lot more to do with it than style. Always go with the recommendations of people you trust. | |
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05-21-2008, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by martialartspeon I see this a lot too. Picking a good school is really hard and I think that has a lot more to do with it than style. Always go with the recommendations of people you trust. | What if the person you trust has no knowledge on the matter? I mean I'll trust my sister with a large sum of money but if she directed me to Grand Celestial Do, I'm gonna have to see for myself. But yeah, picking schools may have something to do with a style, a more popular style, like karate or ninjitsu may have more McDojos, but I'm just assuming.
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05-22-2008, 10:53 AM
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| Black Belt I
Join Date: Mar 2008 Styles: Currently: BJJ; Past: Judo, Tae Kwon Do, & Combat Hapkido
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Originally Posted by GoddeBPM What if the person you trust has no knowledge on the matter? I mean I'll trust my sister with a large sum of money but if she directed me to Grand Celestial Do, I'm gonna have to see for myself. But yeah, picking schools may have something to do with a style, a more popular style, like karate or ninjitsu may have more McDojos, but I'm just assuming. | Speaking of mcdojos, I found this link on them and thought it was pretty interesting: McDojo FAQ | |
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05-22-2008, 11:22 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Long Island Styles: Tae Kwon Do, Hapkido, Boxing, Nunchackudo, Ninjitsu
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Originally Posted by john55 Speaking of mcdojos, I found this link on them and thought it was pretty interesting: McDojo FAQ | Eh, his red flags aren't 100% accurate. McDojos need to revolve around money. That is the major qualifier.
Just because someone is teaching a sport version of the martial art, that doesn't make them a McDojo (especially if they are really good at the sport). Also, many of the things are based on claims by the school. For example, "instructor is a master but is under 40" or "advertise that a grandmaster regularly teaches." These are only really red flags if they are lies. There are legit masters under 40. There are grandmasters that teach.
That being said, I especially agree with the collection agency bit and the black belt in 3 years bit. | |
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05-22-2008, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Chapel Eh, his red flags aren't 100% accurate. McDojos need to revolve around money. That is the major qualifier.
Just because someone is teaching a sport version of the martial art, that doesn't make them a McDojo (especially if they are really good at the sport). Also, many of the things are based on claims by the school. For example, "instructor is a master but is under 40" or "advertise that a grandmaster regularly teaches." These are only really red flags if they are lies. There are legit masters under 40. There are grandmasters that teach.
That being said, I especially agree with the collection agency bit and the black belt in 3 years bit. | I agree. Making money isnt a McDojo, per making money of ranks, stripes, uniforms, sales counter, juice, tournies, etc., it is just business.... 
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
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05-22-2008, 11:53 AM
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| Black Belt I
Join Date: Mar 2008 Styles: Currently: BJJ; Past: Judo, Tae Kwon Do, & Combat Hapkido
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Originally Posted by Chapel Eh, his red flags aren't 100% accurate. McDojos need to revolve around money. That is the major qualifier.
Just because someone is teaching a sport version of the martial art, that doesn't make them a McDojo (especially if they are really good at the sport). Also, many of the things are based on claims by the school. For example, "instructor is a master but is under 40" or "advertise that a grandmaster regularly teaches." These are only really red flags if they are lies. There are legit masters under 40. There are grandmasters that teach.
That being said, I especially agree with the collection agency bit and the black belt in 3 years bit. | Yea, the article has its good and bad points. Interesting read though. I think it brings up some good stuff. | |
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