This is the most impressive move i have come across

[Captain_fantastic]

YouTube - THIS IS KARATE ~ 空手 ~

2 clips 1.06 and 1.11 of the above link!

I know i am a noob but i have watched tons of videos on youtube and this is the one video thats made me truly go WOW. I suppose its not even a difficult move as such but it definitely does the job. I think i like it so much because no matter how many times i watch it i still cant see it coming. It would definitely work in a street fight would it not?

[complete]

Very good video.

[Torre]

The sweep might work I think, but if his punch is not just a feint, it is dreadfully far from the target.

[JackG]

its called a valley drop in judo or in japanese it is tani otoshi, it is really simple and looks great , people who haven't seen it before tend to land on there neck/ back of there head, I have used this against a mate who was getting out of hand, he still won't let me forget it.

[MilkManX]

The key is that it is a setup. That should be the way you practice.
Your opponent is too busy looking at whats coming for his face that he doesnt notice the other hidden technique you have in store for him. Very well done in that video.

[Captain_fantastic]

Originally Posted by JackG

its called a valley drop in judo or in japanese it is tani otoshi, it is really simple and looks great , people who haven't seen it before tend to land on there neck/ back of there head, I have used this against a mate who was getting out of hand, he still won't let me forget it.

I imagine he literally didnt know what him Looks like a nice weapon to have in your arsenal.

Originally Posted by MilkManX

The key is that it is a setup. That should be the way you practice.
Your opponent is too busy looking at whats coming for his face that he doesnt notice the other hidden technique you have in store for him. Very well done in that video.

How strong does his leg have to be when it goes through him, could a little guy do that against a larger guy for instance?

[Chapel]

A little guy could probably do it against a larger guy when we are talking within reason. I wouldn't expect your son to do it against someone like Triangle (I only bring you up because you have stated that you are a bigger guy in the 'rolling against big guys' thread) or any full grown adult. Also, obviously, bringing someone to the ground does not always end the fight.

The other problem with the technique is if your opponent is quick. I have crazy feet which are pretty decent at getting under me. So, if someone tried to do that too slow on me, odds are I would still be standing.

HOWEVER, I do believe that this technique has an important moral behind it: if something doesn't work, don't stop! Instead, transfer into something different. Here, the punch doesn't work so he immediately steps behind and brings his arm around to try to do a sweep. When fighting there should always be a reversal in the back of your mind. This is why people have often compared ground games to chess matches as they very often are one by the person who stays in control longest instead of the person who reacts fastest and gets in a good solid shot.

[WC_Lun]

If you can pop the hip and uproot him it'll work. Not that hard

There was something that disturbed me about the video. Notice how many people there were with thier hands down? Absolutely no upper gate defence at all. No upper gate defense makes many of the techniques you saw in this video very easy and gives the guy preforming them a very large anount of time to get them done, relatively speaking.

[Chapel]

Originally Posted by WC_Lun

If you can pop the hip and uproot him it'll work. Not that hard

There was something that disturbed me about the video. Notice how many people there were with thier hands down? Absolutely no upper gate defence at all. No upper gate defense makes many of the techniques you saw in this video very easy and gives the guy preforming them a very large anount of time to get them done, relatively speaking.

I have landed on my feet from a hip throw a few times. I don't think it is something that is worth practicing for MMA type stuff because that time is better spent perfecting things like getting someone into guard. Just saying that strange stuff is possible that could mess this up big time.

Agree about the hands down part, but it was point-stop sparring so I wasn't even going to say anything.

[JackG]

Yep chapel its great against taller guys because of there higher hips , I find if they don't go down I either grab both there legs (because they are already of balance) or grab there waist with my right arm from the front (if i'm entering with the right leg) and add a little lift.
It also depends how you perform some of our sensei use there right arm/elbow as a strike making alot more explosive others have more of a push. I like the grab technique just because it stops people from seeing it coming and allows be to go to ground if need be/applicable to go to.

Here is a very slow version for learning purposes of a site I use to refresh my memory, its a really good site to see stuff done slow and correct, i prefer the second of the two throws in the first one he doesn't seem to get his leg deep enough behind the uke hence he slides of slightly too much like in the Karate vid second one his gets it full behind hence the uke going over onto his back.
http://www.jitsu-club.co.uk/forum/videos/TaniOtoshi.wmv

[WC_Lun]

Seriously, the arm placement of all these fighters is atrocious. The fact that only one other person has said somethin about it is frightining me a bit. What am I missing? Why are these men leaveing themselves open for such techniqniques?

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by WC_Lun

Seriously, the arm placement of all these fighters is atrocious. The fact that only one other person has said somethin about it is frightining me a bit. What am I missing? Why are these men leaveing themselves open for such techniqniques?

Thank you.

You have renewed my faith in mankind, we have a chance to make it I think.

[TRIANGLEFROMGAURD]

Originally Posted by WC_Lun

Seriously, the arm placement of all these fighters is atrocious. The fact that only one other person has said somethin about it is frightining me a bit. What am I missing? Why are these men leaveing themselves open for such techniqniques?

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

Thank you.

You have renewed my faith in mankind, we have a chance to make it I think.

Not only that ,sane people, but the stance is so wide. I could shoot from three blocks away and still take those guys down.

Which move is the impressive one?

[Chapel]

Originally Posted by WC_Lun

Seriously, the arm placement of all these fighters is atrocious. The fact that only one other person has said somethin about it is frightining me a bit. What am I missing? Why are these men leaveing themselves open for such techniqniques?

Because it is sport Shotokan, not an MMA competition. That would be like commenting on how the equestrian team were all riding horses.

[WC_Lun]

Sorry, I thought it was self defense of some sort. I mean if its Olympic TKD then you expect the hands to be down. Just seemed to me, with the shots these guy were taking that someone would get the idea to get thier hands up.