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Until you are willing to post your credentials, you are not really in a position to question someone else's.
Leave that up to people who actually qualify themselves on this forum to do that please.
I can question anyone's credentials that seem flakey to me. If had not posted any, I wouldnt question it, unless he says too much garbage....like training in a Navy Seal system....
Outlandish or exaggerated credentials are far worse than not posting any.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
I said I was a white belt with one stripe (Yellow).
I have already answered this question: instead of stripes my instructor choose colors because he was sick of people stopping to count stripes on a white belt when trying to partner up. Don't make anything more out of it.
Well, since he doesn't have the same ranking as any other, it doesnt mean he is not qualified.
Over millineum, martial art teachers always changed their curriculum in some fashion.
So, because he changed a color of rank or created a new ranking system will not have me think less of him. My view is not about ranking in this matter.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
1. You already stated your background in another post. This is a forum. You can claim all the training you want, but it's what you actually state in your posts that will verify your credibility. BTW: Thanks for not answering my MT question. Tells me a lot about how well you know MT.
Which is why Chapel and Joe seem to not understand. I dont care if your name is Gracie. If you are going to talk about another art and not actually have experienced it, then how can you discredit/bash it?
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2. People have explained and you have argued. It is the way of forums that some users will post more agressively (such as Draven and yourself) and some will post with less aggressively (such as John55 or hopefully myself). As for the UFC, even though I'm not as big a fan as most on this foru,, I don't doubt that skill in UFC shows validation of actual fighting experience. If you know anything about military training, you will know that professional soldiers engage in UFC like training. Read the thread; "Army Combatives" (by John55) in the General Forum.
Agree to a degree. But in the military, the actual weapons do most of the fighting than actual hand-to-hand
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3. I agree with you on this point. I have had numerous arguments and have been banned from a few schools for this same questioning. Personally I won't join a school unless it accepts a formal challenge.
I agree and somewhat stated why I can see flashlocks bitterness. To question is righteous. Too many students do not question the teacher as the teacher portrays too much of a icon of infinite wisdom. Here is where TMA can faulter.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Wrong again. I was accused by Draven as being a liar. I posted all my experience and the schools I attneded.
I didnt see where he actually called you a liar. But like him, and perhaps to some others, your background is questionable.
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My TKD experience was under Kevin DeVries, Tae Park TKD Organization, Grand Rapids MI.
At what level or recognition was he in that org? He doesnt appear in the higher hierarchy. It still seems you hadnt "experienced it enough"
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I took wrestling under Coach Urban at Godwin Hights Middle School, I took 2nd in my weight class.
Well, I pointed out that wrestling is grand. And for you to take second in your weight class is good. How far was that division-local, state, or regional?
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I took wrestling my freshman year, but could not make the JV team, as I couldn't beat the older kid ahead of me in that weight class.
As I somewhat stated not having enough ability to make it.
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I took Aikido under Toh Sensei, Toyoda Linneage, GR MI
This seems too short of a study in order to have experienced it enough.
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I boxed under a bronze medalist from Kurdistan. I do not know his Kurdish name, but he picked the name Brando DeNero (!!!) and I trained with him twice a week, an hour a session for 6 months, one on one personal classes.
No tangible evidence to show he is actually who he said he was. Though many teachers can mislead students/pupils by they-themselves exagerrating credentials. Could be your case in this matter.
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RAT was the system taught to Navy SEAL team 6 (Eastern SEAL Branch) by Paul Vunak, who developed it out of Jeet Kune Do Concepts. You can look him up. I was taught the system by a 5 year senior student whos instructor was I believe named Pomovarski, anyway, he's JKD COncepts in Melbourne.
You "believe" his name is Pomovarski. Ditto from above
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I have a yellow belt (in most schools one black stripe) in BJJ from Rob Williams, chamipion of NZ, Australia, and Victoria. Rob is a blackbelt under Bruno Panno and Royler Gracie.
Actually, I dont think or posted anything negative here or about this.
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As for Context Martial Arts, where I worked, the focus was TKD, but there was extra training for senior students in other arts. It was not for mastery, but a good taste of other arts augmented with seminars.
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You dismissed just about everything on my resume, but don't have the balls to post your own experience. Put up or shut up, bub.
Not Rob Williams. I think most of what you had studied was too short of a study in order to have experienced it enough. And/or you had teachers whom can mislead students/pupils by they-themselves exagerrating credentials.
I must reiterate, This is not to belittle you, or your teachers, but it would seem that either you didnt stay long enough to truly experience each art or that your instructors were not fully experienced to have you understand. This is not to mean that you, or they, lack any skills or abilities.
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Still waiting for Draven to applogize for calling me a liar...
I won't hold my breath.
Well, you seemingly bashing/belittle, flash your credentials, and how you are posting, could have someone challenge you. But I dont recall him calling you a liar.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Since Karate is being discussed here as somewhat useless in MMA, I would like to point out Lyoto Machida is still undefeated lightweight contender at UFC with wins over some of the top guys (and former champions) such as Rich Franklin and Tito Ortiz, and yes he practices Kyokushin Karate and uses it well in MMA.
Since Karate is being discussed here as somewhat useless in MMA, I would like to point out Lyoto Machida is still undefeated lightweight contender at UFC with wins over some of the top guys (and former champions) such as Rich Franklin and Tito Ortiz, and yes he practices Kyokushin Karate and uses it well in MMA.
It's something about some MMA and BJJ practitioners whom think any other art, the methods and other goals, etc, besides what they do, are useless.
By the same token, some TMA seem to continue on a course of fallacy. In other owrds to "upgrade" where needed.
From both "camps" they seem to get out of the understanding what are the benefits of the other and other arts.
The thread starter ask "Why Karate?". But he may never come to a full understanding
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
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1. I don't think my training has much of anything to do with one's level to make a clear argument.
2. I didn't answer yout MT question because it was, frankly, bizarre. I don't have Muy Thai experience and never claimed to. That's why I was asking questions about it in relation to karate. All my knowledge about it, well most, is from reserach anyone can do without having to take MT.
1. And yet you keep posting your experience....
2. I was merely asking you to detail the two most common variations of the MT round house kick, as in angles of strike and degree of hip joint rotation. My bad, I thought you actually did MT (seeing as you're such a big proponant of it).
BTW: If you want bizarre, how about a guy who claims kicks from MT (a style he hasn't trained in) are better than kicks from TKD (a style he has studied in)? Kind of like me going on about how Wing Chun (a style I haven't trained in) has supperior hand strikes to Silat (a style I have trained in). Sure I've seen Wing Chun, even sparred with Wing Chun guys but if I did start such a thread, many would probably believe I was claiming to be an actual Wing Chun practitioner. Much as I came to believe you were a MT practitioner.
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Didn't you say you dropped TKD in favor of BJJ (which I find acceptable) but between 93 and 07 you were learning to breath and "extend" your ki? lol sorry but you seem to be misrepresenting yourself...
No Draven, he hasn't misrepresented himself. Just the rest of us have misinterpreted his comments.
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1. Which is why Chapel and Joe seem to not understand. I dont care if your name is Gracie. If you are going to talk about another art and not actually have experienced it, then how can you discredit/bash it?
2. Agree to a degree. But in the military, the actual weapons do most of the fighting than actual hand-to-hand
3. I agree and somewhat stated why I can see flashlocks bitterness. To question is righteous. Too many students do not question the teacher as the teacher portrays too much of a icon of infinite wisdom. Here is where TMA can faulter.
1. Well maybe seeing it (or not seeing it) in the UFC is all the knowledge you need.
2. Well it is war. If the other guys are using artillery and mobile armor....
3. As long as one questions with repect. Don't run up to your instructor & blindside him. Even if he dodges then beats you to a pulp, thus proving his effectiveness, you will likely be banned.
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As I somewhat stated not having enough ability to make it.
Boy, how do you know so much about me? It's amazing. You got it right, I quit wrestling because I had no ability, despite my first year taking 2nd in my weight class.
What is strange is the coach asked me not to go, and believed I could eventually take State in my Senior Year if I worked hard.
Instead, I focussed on TKD--and boy, do I regret it, I didn't have ability there either... I only made it to red belt, taught classes for a year, and had crumby unqualified teachers.
You're a genius or have magic powers. How do you do it, percieve so much?
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This seems too short of a study in order to have experienced it enough.
I'm sorry it wasn't enough experience for you... again, maybe you can share your experience with us one day since you are such an expert on what is useful for whom, without knowing the teacher, the student, or the art.
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No tangible evidence to show he is actually who he said he was. Though many teachers can mislead students/pupils by they-themselves exagerrating credentials. Could be your case in this matter.
Yeah, maybe he lied about being an Olympic Bronze Medalist, and when he was brought over on a working visa to coach boxers in one of the biggest Boxing Gyms in Melbourne, and they verified those credentials--maybe it was a big conspiracy.
Or maybe uh... yeah... he was a bronze medalist and a great coach.
Jealous or something?
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You "believe" his name is Pomovarski. Ditto from above
Boy, I was so far off. But luckily all YOU would have to do to find it is type "Jeet Kune Do" and "Meblourne" into google: his academy is the only JKD one in Melbourne, JUST LIKE I SAID.
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Not Rob Williams. I think most of what you had studied was too short of a study in order to have experienced it enough. And/or you had teachers whom can mislead students/pupils by they-themselves exagerrating credentials.
Well, I believe when you have a strong base in one striking art, it helps you in others, and you can learn a lot more than just starting from scratch.
Even when I started BJJ, people I rolled with asked me what I had taken before in wrestling. I told them my silly experience all those years ago, and they said "You never forget".
I'm not claiming 6 months is good enough to teach or claim expertise in a system, but I learned a lot regardless, and keep some of this, lose some of that, and make it my own. It's a creative process.
But after experimenting a lot and jumping around, I settled on BJJ. That is what I plan to pursue forever, but I am grateful for my experiences in aikido, boxing, and the RAT system.
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I must reiterate, This is not to belittle you, or your teachers, but it would seem that either you didnt stay long enough to truly experience each art or that your instructors were not fully experienced to have you understand. This is not to mean that you, or they, lack any skills or abilities.
You like to say things like: "seems" or "your coaches just might be liars" based on virtually nothing... it's almost like you're trying to find something negative. Maybe you should have a little faith in people!
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Well, you seemingly bashing/belittle, fkash your credentials, and how you are posting, could have someone challenge you. But I dont recall him calling you a liar.
He said he didn't believe I was telling the truth about my background... so that's him calling me a liar.
Anyway, I've come here and been hard on karate, and I stand by that--but I've also been honest and fair.
Have you been fair? (It's rhetorical, don't answer...)
No Draven, he hasn't misrepresented himself. Just the rest of us have misinterpreted his comments.
You know I'm gonna come back on this...
This is misrepresentation
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1993-1995 Context Martial Arts Walker, MI
Instructor·
Ran children’s classes six classes a week·
Helped train children with disabilities·
Taught adult classes when Black Belt instructor was absent· Context MA trained TKD, JKD, Praying Mantis KF, Ninjutsu, and Kali
So from 93 to 95 was a children's instructor & by his own words "Taught adult classes when Black Belt instructor was absent· Context MA trained TKD, JKD, Praying Mantis KF, Ninjutsu, and Kali
" Until the he claims only to have wrestled and took TKD, so why would he be teaching Praying Mantis Kunf-fu, ninjutsu, JKD & Kali?
Yes he mentions a seminar with Nova, but thats hardly studying ninjutsu. I've done semiars with MacYoung and Retired Green Berret combative instructors. But thats not the same of studying their systems... I learn Gracie Comnbatives but that the same as being ranked from the Gracie Academy is it?
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So from 93 to 95 was a children's instructor & by his own words "Taught adult classes when Black Belt instructor was absent· Context MA trained TKD, JKD, Praying Mantis KF, Ninjutsu, and Kali
" Until the he claims only to have wrestled and took TKD, so why would he be teaching Praying Mantis Kunf-fu, ninjutsu, JKD & Kali?
Yes he mentions a seminar with Nova, but thats hardly studying ninjutsu. I've done semiars with MacYoung and Retired Green Berret combative instructors. But thats not the same of studying their systems... I learn Gracie Comnbatives but that the same as being ranked from the Gracie Academy is it?
I never taught JKD, Mantis, ninjutsu or Kali, and never claimed to. I listed them as things I studied while at Context Martial Arts.
Our TKD was infused with Jeet Kune Do concepts, which was a big influence on my instructor, but nothing formal, just training methods, interceptions, and foot work.
My instructor was very close to people in the ninjutsu community of Ann Arbor, so we trained with those guys sometimes, and played with taijutsu ideas.
I'm not sure where he picked up the Kali, but we only did basic hubud lubud type exercises.
The Praying Mantis Kung Fu was very high quality. His Master was Master Lee, who was basically the Grand Master of Mantis, but they didn't give him that title because he moved from China. Master Lee is still teaching here in Grand Rapids, last I heard, and he is like a treasure, but I only trained with him directly for a few months. The rest I got from my instructor who was his student.
Anyway Draven, I've been honest with everyone here. You keep saying "He claims".
Dude, I speak the truth, and I haven't exagerrated... what is to exagerrate? Did I come on here and even claim I had a black belt? No. Did I claim titles? No! Did I list every school and name every instructor I had? Yep.
Do you admit I'm telling the truth and that you take back calling me a liar?
To Flashlock: +Rep for being such a good sport about all the attacks on his experience and credibility. Especially considering that they were unfounded as he was very honest and detailed about his experience.
To the opposition: Watch it! This is a martial arts forum and not a witch hunt. If you feel you owe an apology to Flashlock, send him one on PM. If not, don't. However, if it gets brought up in another topic, expect moderator action to be taken against your account.
To everyone else: Thank you for the lively debate about the slow decline of Karate and other TMAs that usually get called Karate by the general public.
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