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Old 12-14-2007, 09:20 AM   #16 (permalink)

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Shaolin 5 animals is not authentic. Everytime you turn around, it seems like 5 different animals (pending story)
I've always heard it was originally crane, leopard, snake, tiger & dragon, but the other animals were additions to the same princples so differing animals a guess wouldn't matter much based on personal preferences of the instructor(s).
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Shaolin 5 animals is not authentic. Everytime you turn around, it seems like 5 different animals (pending story)
No, those are the five animals that Shalin Kung Fu is based on. There are 7 dojos in my area that all have those same animals.
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I've always heard it was originally crane, leopard, snake, tiger & dragon, but the other animals were additions to the same princples so differing animals a guess wouldn't matter much based on personal preferences of the instructor(s).
Are you sure it wasnt Eagle, Tiger, Bear, Monkey, Mantis?
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No, those are the five animals that Shalin Kung Fu is based on. There are 7 dojos in my area that all have those same animals.
Which is what?

Eagle, Dragon, Monkey, Tiger, Leopard?
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Which is what?

Eagle, Dragon, Monkey, Tiger, Leopard?
No, the five animals of Shaolin are Leopard, Tiger, Snake, Crane, and Dragon.
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No, the five animals of Shaolin are Leopard, Tiger, Snake, Crane, and Dragon.
No, crane couldn't have been.

Researching zooloogy, certain animals were not available in that region.

Also, why would there be two "big cat arts? As "if" there are "major" difference between leopard and tiger.

So, this Shaolin 5 animals is myth or legend.
Story -telling

People have different views on the 5 animals, and as I said, the number, and group, seem to change pending on the person
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No, crane couldn't have been.

Researching zooloogy, certain animals were not available in that region.

Also, why would there be two "big cat arts? As "if" there are "major" difference between leopard and tiger.

So, this Shaolin 5 animals is myth or legend.
Story -telling

People have different views on the 5 animals, and as I said, the number, and group, seem to change pending on the person
Their was crane in that region... The "difference" between the leopard and the tiger is that the leopard it fast direct movements, and the tiger is more circular. Don't ask me how they came up with those characteristics, but indeed, this is what has been passed down for centuries.
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Their was crane in that region... The "difference" between the leopard and the tiger is that the leopard it fast direct movements, and the tiger is more circular. Don't ask me how they came up with those characteristics, but indeed, this is what has been passed down for centuries.
Are you sure crane was in that region?

Some of my research is that crane style was actually created and practiced in Southern China (Fukien..)
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Are you sure crane was in that region?

Some of my research is that crane style was actually created and practiced in Southern China (Fukien..)
Ok, maybe it was a stark, but it is known as crane and that is what they called it.
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Ok, maybe it was a stark, but it is known as crane and that is what they called it.
I dont think so.

I think there is too much myth and legend, told over time to where there is too much obsecurity.

The 5 animals are changed according to the number, group, and depiction.

Look into and study the region of Shaolin.......

Do not look into Shaolin as a place related to martial arts.....
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I dont think so.

I think there is too much myth and legend, told over time to where there is too much obsecurity.

The 5 animals are changed according to the number, group, and depiction.

Look into and study the region of Shaolin.......

Do not look into Shaolin as a place related to martial arts.....
Dually noted. But answer me this. How come people from either ends of earth that study "Shaolin Kung Fu" have the same 5 animals. The five mentioned in Ben's thread are the same as in mine. I have spoke with others and read others posts. I think it would be safe to say that those are the 5 animals, beings as so many of our arts are based on the same 5. I am sure that some arts have different ones, but there is more than one school teaching "Shaolin Kung Fu" with the "5 animals". I am content to believe that those are the 5 original. Besides, the crane didn't have to be native to that specific region. Northern China, Southern China--maybe the people traveled and observed it.
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Dually noted. But answer me this. How come people from either ends of earth that study "Shaolin Kung Fu" have the same 5 animals. The five mentioned in Ben's thread are the same as in mine. I have spoke with others and read others posts. I think it would be safe to say that those are the 5 animals, beings as so many of our arts are based on the same 5. I am sure that some arts have different ones, but there is more than one school teaching "Shaolin Kung Fu" with the "5 animals". I am content to believe that those are the 5 original. Besides, the crane didn't have to be native to that specific region. Northern China, Southern China--maybe the people traveled and observed it.
Well, "back in my day", the number was 7......

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I think there is too much myth and legend, told over time to where there is too much obsecurity.

The 5 animals are changed according to the number, group, and depiction

I think the tactics discovered, were more of a description of what the developer thought it emulated, not the other way around. Therefore, creating a curiousity, perhaps to study said animal a little further. But such a attempt was not concise because each animal and humans, were limited to performing/mimicking a certain tactic.
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Well, "back in my day", the number was 7......

Read my words carefully;

I think there is too much myth and legend, told over time to where there is too much obsecurity.

The 5 animals are changed according to the number, group, and depiction

I think the tactics discovered, were more of a description of what the developer thought it emulated, not the other way around. Therefore, creating a curiousity, perhaps to study said animal a little further. But such a attempt was not concise because each animal and humans, were limited to performing/mimicking a certain tactic.
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Eagle, Dragon, Monkey, Tiger, Leopard?
tiger, crane, dragon, snake, and leopard are the animals in hung gar kuen

the difference between the tiger and leapard is that the tiger = very aggressive and brutal with lots of breaking, striking, locking, ripping and tearing

leopard = agile footwork, and repeated quick sharp attacks
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tiger, crane, dragon, snake, and leopard are the animals in hung gar kuen

the difference between the tiger and leapard is that the tiger = very aggressive and brutal with lots of breaking, striking, locking, ripping and tearing

leopard = agile footwork, and repeated quick sharp attacks
Exactly. And that is how it is all over the world.

But MartialMan, I definitely see your point.
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