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As it stands from my research, the five animal forms are closely connected to the five element forms. In both cases their are 7 mentioned, but as always there are two forms with two names for the same concept. Slight variation in form & name, but the principles are all the same...
As it stands from my research, the five animal forms are closely connected to the five element forms. In both cases their are 7 mentioned, but as always there are two forms with two names for the same concept. Slight variation in form & name, but the principles are all the same...
Those sound legit. The Eagle and Leopard are meant to represent speed and quickness, so they fit. And Crane and Mantis are very close as well. Interesting.
Those sound legit. The Eagle and Leopard are meant to represent speed and quickness, so they fit. And Crane and Mantis are very close as well. Interesting.
Crane/Mantis
Eagle/Dragon
Snake/Monkey
Tiger/Bear
Besides, Mantis systems have Monkey footwork.
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
As im sure youve ll heard me tell you I learn both wing chun and shaolin kung fu.
The more I do wing chun the more I get bored with it, its been that way from the onset but the 5 animals kung fu has kept me going to my classes.
Unfortunately My sifu seems to have the opposite logic, he knows wing chun is brilliant for self defense and I am glad he teaches it too us but I want to start defending myself using shaolin kung fu as a pose to the wing chun kung fu. I train with one of the senior students out side of classes and he is similar to me in his passion for shaolin.
The question is how can I bring that immediate attack response that comes with wingchun into shaolin, when someone does a 'test punch' at me my immediate reaction is a wing chun move fairy enough, but I want my immiediate reaction to be a shaolin move. The problem facing that is that shaolin moves take a lot more movement to execute than wing chun so not only do I have to increase my speed all round I need to train in a way that embeddes shaolin kung fu into my mind
I learn 5 animals kung fu (tiger,leopard, crane, snake, dragon) and I train hard at them at the moment but I need a better training method other than executing the moves I know repeatedly and doing forms
any ideas????
PS sorry for the question length just thought it would save me explaining al the details on various replies
thankyou
If you have mentioned that you do wing chun and shaolin kung fu before , then why arn't they in you "styles" section??
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Ben, where in England are you located? There is an excellent school called Rising Crane in Bedford. The Sifu teaches Hop-Ga and Hung-Ga (Hung-Ga is the original five animal style from the Fukien Siu-Lum Temple)there, and he is a legitimate lineage holder in these systems.
Shaolin 5 Animals form (Shaolin WuXing Chuan) is Tiger, Dragon, Snake, Crane, Leopard.
To the original post, your teacher should be able to apply every single move of that form and teach you the applications. Is he a Shaolin master? Second, if you're practicing WuXing Chuan and can't figure out how to apply it to a fight, I really want to see what you're learning because the Shaolin form is pretty brutal and there's nothing hidden. You really need to work on conditioning your body (ab work, bench press, squats) and also build your finger strength for the chin na. Work on some fingertip push-ups but pay attention if your joints start to hurt in your hands.
As for whether WuXing Chuan has anything to do with Monkey, Eagle, or Mantis; it does not. These are not progressions, they're different styles. That said, maybe your Sifu teaches them as progressions thinking that if you're good at Wuxing then you are ready for Mantis or something.
Eagle and Mantis are very new styles and fairly unique though all Chinese martial arts have the same stancework available to them at this point so it's probably better to say Mantis uses Mantis footwork. The oldest Mantis forms look like Changchuan(longfist) and do use the 'monkey' stance in a couple of applications. Very few people practice the original mantis anymore. It's antiquated and has improved ten times over.
The animal forms are a tough one because there are many flavors of the styles. Mantis can be seen here in America as short-ranged stomp kick arm-bar style with whipping hand motions, or the more mobile and imitative Shaolin Mantis with rapid foot movements and throwing attacks and deep imitative mantis stances. Wudang Mantis is much more circular and Bagua influenced combining the Shaolin-ish method with Bagua.
Eagle is the pride of China Wushu. The training that goes along with being able to apply it is amazing.
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Originally Posted by JadeDragon
5 original animals of Shaolin:
tiger - power
snake - accuracy and deceptivness
leopard - speed
crane - agility and gracefulness
dragon - relentless agressive behavior incorporating the other 4 animals.
In Southern Siu-Lum, the animals work a bit differently:
Tiger-Power,explosiveness,anger
Snake-Vital point striking,relentless, cold-blooded
Leopard-speed, cunning
Crane-,whip energy,evasive, calm
Dragon-indomitable,iron body,confident.
I saw the Shaolin monks when they took their show over here to Australia. They were great but their techniques were not combative. I doubt modern Shaolin is actually effective in combat. That's why Bruce Lee went outside of the Chinese systems to improve his Kung Fu as opposed to going into Shaolin.
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