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Old 02-01-2008, 03:33 PM   #16 (permalink)

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WRONG!!! Plum Wine, two drinks. Unless you are afraid...
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Old 02-01-2008, 03:38 PM   #17 (permalink)

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WRONG!!! Plum Wine, two drinks. Unless you are afraid...
Well... I don't see why drinking alcohol would show that you are brave. And if you are a truly dedicated fighter, you wouldn't consume alcohol. Besides, the martial arts is a imitation of a drunken monk, or a drunken monkey in some case.
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Old 02-03-2008, 05:44 AM   #18 (permalink)

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Old 02-03-2008, 10:17 PM   #19 (permalink)

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There is no actual consumption of alcohol in the art.
Sure there was. It started with a martial artist who was a drunk.

How can anyone act drunk and perform the exact same way
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Old 02-03-2008, 10:31 PM   #20 (permalink)

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Sure there was. It started with a martial artist who was a drunk.

How can anyone act drunk and perform the exact same way
The folk-tale says the artists were drunk... The 8 drunken immortals....

In the real story, I'm sure they didn't drink alcohol to practice the art...
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Old 02-03-2008, 11:09 PM   #21 (permalink)

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Sure there was. It started with a martial artist who was a drunk.

How can anyone act drunk and perform the exact same way
Maybe I should rephrase it, being drunk is neither required nor encouraged.
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Old 02-04-2008, 06:12 AM   #22 (permalink)

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Maybe I should rephrase it, being drunk is neither required nor encouraged.
However, acting drunk could be a good form of psychological defense. Attackers might assume an easy target and then be caught totally off guard. (Which is probably a basis for this style.)

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Old 02-04-2008, 11:22 AM   #23 (permalink)

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Many of the more popular drunken aspects were added later, and of course, over time were exagerrated. Most of the techniques in Joi Bot Sien are locking,takedowns, throws, (such as suplexes,single leg takedowns)leg scissors,sweeps,etc. that most of you already know. Many of these techniques, if performed in solo, without a partner, would indeed appear as if you were drunk. As would the looseness of the waist and body, angling the body for strikes, etc. The set simply grew from there. The "History", and "Origins" of the sets were added later, as they are with most styles.
When people talk of the legends as being true, or that one actually drinkls while doing the set, all that came from movies and stories.Not the original joi bot sien.
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Old 02-05-2008, 09:26 AM   #24 (permalink)

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Sure there was. It started with a martial artist who was a drunk.

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If you're so drunk you're stumbling around, what are the odds you'd remember how you acted well enough to create a martial art out of it? Like he said, it's all legend and movies (and sometimes legend created by movies, lol).
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If you're so drunk you're stumbling around, what are the odds you'd remember how you acted well enough to create a martial art out of it? Like he said, it's all legend and movies (and sometimes legend created by movies, lol).
Could always be somebody noticing somebody else who's drunk?
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Bajifan is correct-more than most would want to admit. Many of the legends, even people in the lineages were created for the movies. People then took these stories and told them as truths.
Ex: Hung Man-Ting was Hung Hei-Guen's son, who avenged his father's death by the Bak Mei Priest, by combining his mother's Crane techniques with his father's Tiger thus forming the Tiger Crane set of Hung-Ga.
Rubbish. Hung Man-Ting never existed-it was fabricated for the movie,"Fists of the White Lotus." Bak Mei did not kill Hung Hei-Guen, in fact, there is no evidence that Bak Mei Dao-Yan ever existed. The Tiger and Crane set was not created in this way.
But...there is a Hung-Ga school that has Hung Man-Ting in their lineage tree.
Most of the Wudang stuff is made up from Mainland wushu performers wearing Daoist robes, the same way they shaved their heads and suddenly became Shaolin monks. Tai Chi, Hsing-Yi, Ba Kua were created outside Wudang, from completely different sources.
Some say that the reason Wudang temple was built was to justify a general's search for the remaining family of the Ming Court, and he claimed he was searching for Chang Seng-Feng. The actual temple did not exist-at least not as seen today.Who knows?
You need to do way more research than simply watching a Jacky Chan movie.
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Movies aren't real?! You mean that no matter how long I study kung fu I won't be able to hop over buildings or run on a lake?! Wah!!!
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Old 02-05-2008, 10:24 AM   #28 (permalink)

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well, I've been told to throw myself off a building, and jump in the lake, but that was from my ex. Kinda the same, right?
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