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Styles: My style is so deadly that even to read its name would kill you!
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First off, very interesting thread, glad TenTigers decided to revive it and hopefully noone gave him -rep for thread necromancy.
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Originally Posted by TenTigers
The "luring" your opponent into a false sense of security ploy would only work up until the first blow is thrown, then only an idiot owuld not realize. So that reason is told only to people because most never actually learned the true meaning.
There is an entire world of Gung-Fu that, for the most part has been behind closed doors to the gwailo. This was true many years ago, and in many cases, is still true today.
Yes luring your opponant only works until the first blow. But if you practice an overwhelming attack style such as most southern kung-fu schools, that's all you need.
Gotta agree with you on the secret teachings thing. I remember my Kung Fu instructor would after general training, take all us favoured students (al Asian) for extra training. The main class was watered down Wu Shu while the extra training consisted of Southern Five Animals. Very different. Hmm.... Maybe I'll start a thread on this one day. Nah, I better not, could get in trouble....
(Btw: That's my way of inviting someone to post a thread that I would like to post but for personal reasons can't).
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Originally Posted by 47MartialMan
Eight drunken immortals....yeah, never seen a drunk in the UFC
They get drunk after the fight. Wow seems like forever since I've had the opportunity to respond to one of your posts 47MM.
__________________ The Master said, "I will not be concerned at men's not knowing me, I will be concerned at my own lack of ability."
(Confucius).
"If you're Enlightened and you know it, clap one hand." (Famous Zen saying)
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First off, very interesting thread, glad TenTigers decided to revive it and hopefully noone gave him -rep for thread necromancy.
Yes luring your opponant only works until the first blow. But if you practice an overwhelming attack style such as most southern kung-fu schools, that's all you need.
Gotta agree with you on the secret teachings thing. I remember my Kung Fu instructor would after general training, take all us favoured students (al Asian) for extra training. The main class was watered down Wu Shu while the extra training consisted of Southern Five Animals. Very different. Hmm.... Maybe I'll start a thread on this one day. Nah, I better not, could get in trouble....
(Btw: That's my way of inviting someone to post a thread that I would like to post but for personal reasons can't).
They get drunk after the fight. Wow seems like forever since I've had the opportunity to respond to one of your posts 47MM.
So the UFC has a new style called "Post Drunken"?
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Am I Rick, Ricky, Rickster, James, Raymond, Just 4 Kicks, patfromlogan, clyon, budo tiger - http://www.lyon-ma.com/lkd/
It's actually an older style pioneered by Tito Ortiz and Chuck Liddell. They like to call it "Western Drunken Lapdancing Porn Star Kickboxing."
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How did I ever miss this thread? LOL Funny stuff in here...Took me a little while to read the whole thing, but it was worth it. I thought Draven taught "drunken style"? Oh wait...he teaches em while they are drunk. Never mind. LOL I thought the whole premis behind the "drunken style" was to keep the attacker wondering what the person was going to do next? An air of unpredictability and all. Hmmm...I must be wrong.
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yep,wrong you are. Well, think of it this way. In a fight, once you close with your opponent,where exactly will this unpredictability occur? Think in terms of fighting, not "sparring," and you will see why that explanation is flawed.
But, you are not at fault, as very few people learn Drunken Style. Sure, many have been exposed to Drunken forms in wu-shu, or Jacky Chan movies, or magazine articles, but how many reliable sources are there? The wu-shu forms are a theatrical, acrobatic, exagerrated version. There have actually been articles on Drunken Fist written by wu-shu performers-as if they had a clue. Jacky Chan's movies were designed for entertainment, not education. And anyone who sends in an article can get published in a MA magazine. (I should definately send some in!)
In over twenty years, I have only seen one legitamite article on Joi Bot Sien (Eight Drunken Immortals)which was written by Choy Li Fut Sifu,Doc-Fai Wong.
TenTigers, In the past, anytime I've been in an actual "fight", I have only gone to the ground once or twice.....All of my other confrontations were dealt with from the stand up, which was VERY similar to "sparring". The main difference being that I actually HIT my oponent and knocked them out rather than "touching" my opponent and keeping on going. In this instance, I an see MANY oportunities to keep my oponent guessing where I'm going. HOWEVER, I would never train in "drunken style". It just isn't me.
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yeah, I had a feeling that would come out wrong. Sorry, tone doesn't come across on forum posts. I wasn't belittling you or suggesting that you were inexperienced. I was only saying that in fighting, once we close, we are constantly attacking, grabbing, throwing, etc so there is no "room" for that unpredictability. But, I come from a Hung-Ga backround, so our distances are different, as we want to close, and stay on top of you. Sure, there may be breaks, where you might be able to use your strategies,and that your opponent may try to keep a distance.I can see your point. But, at that point, would the unpredictability be of use?
I never thought you were trying to belittle me. It's all good! If someone wants to stay in close and tight, then a decent grappler will take them out with a quickness. I'm not a decent grappler yet...but I'm working on it. We have grappling in our system, but it is not a huge focus. I have recently begun training in grappling and ju jitsu so that I can bring more of it to our system. When I go back to my instructors dojo in Washingotn, I plan to show their 2nd degree blackbelt grapplers a thing or two. LOL But if someone chooses to stay in tight with me, there is pleanty of room for unpredictability still. Will I punch? Or smack? Or claw at your eyes? Or grab at dangling appendages? Or try to break fingers? Or try to drop to the ground? or fall down? Or try to take you down to the ground? There is plenty of room for the unpredictable here.
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Originally Posted by Opunaya
I want to learn drunken kung fu, not to use as a true fighting style, but just to perform so I don't know about putting it in a real-world situation.
You just want to learn it so next time you get pulled up for being drunk and disorderly you can claim it as a cultural thing. "Shtopf halrassin me ophfficer. You anti-culshar fascist shcum...."
__________________ The Master said, "I will not be concerned at men's not knowing me, I will be concerned at my own lack of ability."
(Confucius).
"If you're Enlightened and you know it, clap one hand." (Famous Zen saying)
You just want to learn it so next time you get pulled up for being drunk and disorderly you can claim it as a cultural thing. "Shtopf halrassin me ophfficer. You anti-culshar fascist shcum...."
Yes. The excuse could be nade that "I was training"
Drunkeb style, like other martial art stuff is too far fetched based upon too many legends.
In theory, some of these may be applicable, in actuality, hardly anyone will ever perform during the "moment of truth"
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Am I Rick, Ricky, Rickster, James, Raymond, Just 4 Kicks, patfromlogan, clyon, budo tiger - http://www.lyon-ma.com/lkd/
You just want to learn it so next time you get pulled up for being drunk and disorderly you can claim it as a cultural thing. "Shtopf halrassin me ophfficer. You anti-culshar fascist shcum...."
Haha. Me being drunk is the last thing you want...because I tend to lose my pants. Is there a pantsless martial art? Something I could merge with Drunken Boxing to really give myself a good alibi for acting intoxicated?
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