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However, acting drunk could be a good form of psychological defense. Attackers might assume an easy target and then be caught totally off guard. (Which is probably a basis for this style.)
Personally, I think that purposefully attracting attention to yourself by looking like a target when you are really not is a bad idea. I know a lot of people who claim to be able to recognize a cop from a mile a way. They are able to pick up on the out of place body language. For instance, a white guy walking around 130th and Amsterdam at 1 AM who doesn't look like he is waiting to get mugged by every passerby is probably a cop.
I'll take not looking like an easy target when you really are over looking like an easy target when you are not any day of the week. I can't get hurt in the fight that doesn't happen.
If you're so drunk you're stumbling around, what are the odds you'd remember how you acted well enough to create a martial art out of it? Like he said, it's all legend and movies (and sometimes legend created by movies, lol).
Thats the point. The Drunken Master did not remember most of his moves. However, being drunk, doesnt lend to complete memory lost. And, when he did his moves while intoxicated, Im sure there were people around, that saw what he did and became his apprentice.
Looking an acting is way different than being.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Styles: Siu-Lum Hung Kuen, Kwongsai Jook Lum Ji Nam Tong Long P'ai
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Methinks your 'history' comes from the movie. In the 'history' of the origin of Eight Drunken Immortals, the creator developed it while in seclusion. Of course, the "histories" are usually one part fact,ten parts fantasy. Nonetheless, Drunken Style is supposed to only give the appearance of being drunk. There is no alcohol actually being imbibed. As far as throwing off your attacker, I believe after the first exchange, any doubts of your sobriety would be gone. Nobody but an idiot would believe you were drunk for the entire fight. Instead, look at Joi Kuen as being loose and resilient like Tai-Chi,irregular rhythm-broken rhythm is used to throw off your attqacker's timing and be deceptive in your movements,joint locks, takedowns and ground techniques. These techniques when put together will appear as drunken technique. Don't make it more than what it was originally intended for, otherwise you become as bad as the Movies they are depicted in.
However, acting drunk could be a good form of psychological defense. Attackers might assume an easy target and then be caught totally off guard. (Which is probably a basis for this style.)
That is the whole purpose of the style.....to lower the guard of your opponent. Then bam, you attack him.
Try doing a style of kung fu called di tong. Its almost entirely falling on the ground. Now that style (di tong) is danderous. Whatever your oppinion is of Drunken style whetherit is good or bad, it can be a beautiful art form to watch. And it does have a few techniques that are effective in real fighting.
Styles: Siu-Lum Hung Kuen, Kwongsai Jook Lum Ji Nam Tong Long P'ai
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actually, that is not the entire point of the system. It is not the point at all.
Joi Bot Sien (Eight Drunken Immortals)contains joint-locking(the gourd-holding hand is an eagle claw used for locking)vital point striking,(the cup-holding hand is a phoenix-eyefist, used for hitting points)the rooted stance with a supple waist is the same methods used in tui-sao-which enable the locking and the striking, by yeilding to yur opponent's force, borrowing it and then striking it, or using it ofr the many throws, sweeps, singl and double leg takedowns and suplexes found within the set.
On the ground, there are many grappling and escape maneuvers, such as the back arching twist(superman), tringle, bridge,leg scissors,side body control, etc all found in ground fighting. (and people say Kung-Fu doesn't have ground fighting-Ha!)
The "luring" your opponent into a false sense of security ploy would only work up until the first blow is thrown, then only an idiot owuld not realize. So that reason is told only to people because most never actually learned the true meaning.
There is an entire world of Gung-Fu that, for the most part has been behind closed doors to the gwailo. This was true many years ago, and in many cases, is still true today.
actually, that is not the entire point of the system. It is not the point at all.
Joi Bot Sien (Eight Drunken Immortals)contains joint-locking(the gourd-holding hand is an eagle claw used for locking)vital point striking,(the cup-holding hand is a phoenix-eyefist, used for hitting points)the rooted stance with a supple waist is the same methods used in tui-sao-which enable the locking and the striking, by yeilding to yur opponent's force, borrowing it and then striking it, or using it ofr the many throws, sweeps, singl and double leg takedowns and suplexes found within the set.
On the ground, there are many grappling and escape maneuvers, such as the back arching twist(superman), tringle, bridge,leg scissors,side body control, etc all found in ground fighting. (and people say Kung-Fu doesn't have ground fighting-Ha!)
The "luring" your opponent into a false sense of security ploy would only work up until the first blow is thrown, then only an idiot owuld not realize. So that reason is told only to people because most never actually learned the true meaning.
There is an entire world of Gung-Fu that, for the most part has been behind closed doors to the gwailo. This was true many years ago, and in many cases, is still true today.
If appearing drunk isn't the point of the system then why appear to be????
While it is true that Drunken style has all those components in it (chin na, ground work, etc..) all these can be done when acting sober too. IMO it's the appearance of being drunk that makes these things work so much easier because your attacker believes you to be intoxicated therefore lowering thier guard. If done right then one wouldn't need to follow up with a second attack. Then it would not matter if the attacker knew you were faking being drunk or not. And if you did have to attack again then hopefully you did enough damage the 1st time that appearing drunk wouldn't matter.
Last edited by JadeDragon; 09-11-2008 at 02:05 PM.
Styles: Siu-Lum Hung Kuen, Kwongsai Jook Lum Ji Nam Tong Long P'ai
Posts: 130
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more than likely, the system got its flavor simply because when you -perform these movements solo, as in a set, they appear to look somewhat unbalanced, and loose. The techniques came first, then they were put into a set to hand them down as an encyclopedia of the system, which is how and why we have sets in the first place. They appeared drunk, so they added more stumbling moves. Later more theatrical moves and acrobatics were added-as people became less combat driven and more performance driven. The modern wu-shu versions you see are nothing like the original sets.
Here, try this. Let's take a squence of very combative moves. Do a boxer's snap-off to the left and then to the right as if you were slipping a jab and a cross. Then go in for a suplex, which lands you on your back. Immediately go for side control, and then spin into a supin arm bar-typical MMA stuff. But when you do it alone without a partner....voila! Drunken Fist!
Just as flowery Gung-Fu moves such as butterfly palms may look pretty, but when you do a movement like you are grabbing someone;s head, and then twisting it for a neck break-Voila!-Butterfly Palms!
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