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That's the common misconception. If you have read BrooklynMonk's post (a non active forumer as of now) he wrote a very long and descriptive story of his stay at the Shaolin Temple. He stated that
the training and the art was very authentic and real. However, he said that the monks tried to jip him out of his money. He also stated that the Shaolin Temple has been a place of thieves and criminals in the past: that is why it was burned down so many times. The monks in the present day Shaolin Temple aren't frauds, they are just as real as they were 4000 years ago. They are human and they fall to human desires-such as money-just like the rest of us do. But they are indeed authentic Shaolin practitioners and are in no way frauds. And just because someone shows of their skills to a crowd doesn't make him fake. Where is the logic in some people?
hmm alot of followers of frauds wont admit it even if they know it. For now im gonna consider him one of them, i'm sorry but as far as i know most of them are frauds and i'll kept thinking that unless when i go there again i'm disproven.
but i know for a fact that the shows i've seen have been put on by fakes
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hmm alot of followers of frauds wont admit it even if they know it. For now im gonna consider him one of them, i'm sorry but as far as i know most of them are frauds and i'll kept thinking that unless when i go there again i'm disproven.
but i know for a fact that the shows i've seen have been put on by fakes
That is because media warps everything for money's sake. By the way I wouldn't care either way if Shaolin was fake or not. But as it stands, I have come across multiple first-hand witnesses-no media, no distortions of the truth-so I can not deny Shaolin's present-day existance or its authenticity. I will argue my point no further.
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well this is exactly the place i thought about going to!
idk anymore i am going to try hard and decide where i am training for kung fu at.
i think i might stay here in the states just because i am closer to family and i heard there are better school over here than in china.
well i read the whole website already and its one of my bookmarks.
I just say even if it is not real shoalin and it is hype, if you use it against opponents and it works, it makes this no different from judo, karate, etc
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If my mom were visiting the shaolin temple to see some martial arts. She probably wouldn't be able to easily tell the difference between a master performing a form and an intermediate. She doesn't have the trained eye. But if the master decides to get real extravagent with his demonstration and breaks stuff and prevents sharp weapons from piercing his skin....now she is entertained....now she can see that the performer possesses something special. And just because the performer can break wooden staffs across his legs or an iron bar over his head, it doesn't mean he knows nothing of raw combat. It is in the raw fighting art that he is truly the Master, not just the demonstration of these physical feats!!
MartialMan, we have all been through this before. It is all subjective because it was done 4000 years ago. You do not know all of the things you say to be true. Maybe you do know them to be true, but they very well may not be true. If someone has been there and done it and you haven't than take their word for it. Don't tell them that everything they did was fake because you weren't there.
Besides, whether Shaolin ever existed (which I know it did and does) is really irrelevent. Because we act like we must go back to the "original" and for many that is Shaolin. The Shaolin were just people. People that trained very hard. This guy went and he trained just as hard as the humans that did 4000 years ago, whether or not it's name is Shaolin doesn't take meaning away from it.
The idea of Shaolin would not be around if it did not exist. There are temples to prove that. Yes, many people commercialize, but it is to make a living. Whether or not they make you pay or live with them and train for free isn't relevent as long as the training is real.
You seem to think that if their are thousands of students their and they are paying money, that is fake Shaolin hype because that wasn't how it was done 4000 years ago.
Times change. Back then, maybe their wasn't the means to make a profit making School. Yet the martial art was practiced. It has been passed down, this very real and effective martial art, to people who were poor and decided to make some money off of it.
Because we know that the ancient monks didn't do such things, we think that Shaolin is exticnt and that people that claim to do Shaolin training are mislead. That is most definately not true. The history of martial arts is always changing. It will continue to change as time progresses. Shaolin isn't fake and there is no reason for you or anyone here to bash other systems.
Going somewhere and following due course via exceessive commercialism and propaganda does not make it true.
I have spoken to many people from there, and did extensive research on Buddhism and the region.
These people are lead on blissful ignorance
My point is NOT to say that Shaolin NEVERED EXISTED, but to say Shaolin Kung Fu, Shaolin Buddhist Fighting Monks, and Shaolin today, is falsely projected and not accurately true/authentic.
If I own a Katana sword made recently my modern manufacturing methods, is this truely a authentic Katana?
True, it can be "labeled" as a Katana, but its isnt a true authentic one. And it is a false representation lacking such.
So, yeah, anyone going to China or Shaolin, to learn Shaolin Kung Fu, is living a lie, a blissful degree of hope and misbelief.
This guy went and he trained just as hard as the humans that did 4000 years ago, (Dumbfounded statement)
Whether or not they make you pay or live with them and train for free isn't relevent as long as the training is real.
(Another dumbfounded statement)
it's name is Shaolin doesn't take meaning away from it.
Prives the point....the name is the meaning for the misleading....
You seem to think that if their are thousands of students their and they are paying money, that is fake Shaolin hype because that wasn't how it was done 4000 years ago.
No, it is they who think they are getting the real deal or something of worth.
Shaolin isn't fake and there is no reason for you or anyone here to bash other systems
Shaolin IS FAKE.....it is commercial proaganda.....held on by blissful ignorance.
Boo hoo, people dont desire to have their eyes opened...............
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
If my mom were visiting the shaolin temple to see some martial arts. She probably wouldn't be able to easily tell the difference between a master performing a form and an intermediate. She doesn't have the trained eye. But if the master decides to get real extravagent with his demonstration and breaks stuff and prevents sharp weapons from piercing his skin....now she is entertained....now she can see that the performer possesses something special. And just because the performer can break wooden staffs across his legs or an iron bar over his head, it doesn't mean he knows nothing of raw combat. It is in the raw fighting art that he is truly the Master, not just the demonstration of these physical feats!!
These feats are mere ilussions like nagicians. Of course illusionists/magicians havd to practice and stay fit for their shows as well.....
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
MartialMan, you really seem to have some pent up hostilities towards the Shaolin name.
Of course, I can understand some of what you are saying because it seems that a lot of people are just using that name as a marketing tool. We recently had a new MA club open up here in the small town in Alabama that I live in, and they claim to teach 'Chinese Shaolin Kickboxing.' However, the guy doing the teaching is a local so I'm not sure how he found a Shaolin temple in Alabama to train at.
As for the forum members making these claims of experiencing real Shaolin training, I wasn't there so I can't judge either way. I just hope you enjoyed yourselves and found the training productive.
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If I own a Katana sword made recently my modern manufacturing methods, is this truely a authentic Katana?
True, it can be "labeled" as a Katana, but its isnt a true authentic one. And it is a false representation lacking such.
One hundred years from now, will a computer not be called a computer. There is sure to be much different methods of creating it, which will also be more efficient, but won't it still be a computer?
It is the same for the katana. A katana is a style of sword, the time period when it was created doesn't change the fact that it is still considered an katana.
By your logic, the first sword that was crafted and dubbed the name "katana" would be the only true katana, and all of the katanas used by other generations are frauds.
MartialMan, I suggest you change your state of mind. There is no wall between the time periods that you say the last true katanas were made and when they started to not be real. If they are made to be a katana and they fit it's discription, then a true katana it is.
"This guy went and he trained just as hard as the humans that did 4000 years ago, (Dumbfounded statement)
Whether or not they make you pay or live with them and train for free isn't relevent as long as the training is real.
(Another dumbfounded statement)"
Why do you think you are all-knowing?
"Boo hoo, people dont desire to have their eyes opened..............."
You are wrong in so many ways. Boo hoo to those who don't desire to havetheir eyes opened.
Sorry MartialMan, I don't have anything at all against you, but you seem to think that martial arts just dies, and people start doing fake martial arts, and it makes no sense what-so-ever.
MartialMan, you really seem to have some pent up hostilities towards the Shaolin name.
Of course, I can understand some of what you are saying because it seems that a lot of people are just using that name as a marketing tool. We recently had a new MA club open up here in the small town in Alabama that I live in, and they claim to teach 'Chinese Shaolin Kickboxing.' However, the guy doing the teaching is a local so I'm not sure how he found a Shaolin temple in Alabama to train at.
As for the forum members making these claims of experiencing real Shaolin training, I wasn't there so I can't judge either way. I just hope you enjoyed yourselves and found the training productive.
Because I was on the "Shaolin Bandwagon", long before its re-popular emergence.
Why would the emergence of a place, built and exists in such a remote area, all of a sudden, be booming with people claiming to teach it?
I had people there. Talked to people from ther, amd decided to not remain in ignorance.....
Thus, I can judge whomever I want..........
But, it isnt just Shaolin....other arts have cons/hypes/fads/myth/etc... as well....
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Martialman you do seem to have it mixed up a bit. A style of kung fu is called SHAOLIN. It is called that because it originated from the Shaolin Temple. You can learn shaolin at the Shaolin Temple...or... you learn from a master in another country that is a master of the shaolin style. It doesn't have to come straight from the temple to be Shaolin or authentic.
I'm not sure why you are so angy. Rather than spending all your time writing arogant angry responses to our otherwise peaceful martial arts discussions, you could get out and study some martial arts yourself. Then we can sit down and have a discussion of ideas rather than a competition to see who is the "smartist".
Martialman you do seem to have it mixed up a bit. A style of kung fu is called SHAOLIN. It is called that because it originated from the Shaolin Temple. You can learn shaolin at the Shaolin Temple...or... you learn from a master in another country that is a master of the shaolin style. It doesn't have to come straight from the temple to be Shaolin or authentic.
I'm not sure why you are so angy. Rather than spending all your time writing arogant angry responses to our otherwise peaceful martial arts discussions, you could get out and study some martial arts yourself. Then we can sit down and have a discussion of ideas rather than a competition to see who is the "smartist".
he knows that there is a style called shaolin but what he's saying is that the monks are mostly frauds and preformers he knows that the style exists and that the monks existed, and a few still do.
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I must say I like the idea of peaceful conversations
I second that remark.
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Sorry MartialMan, I don't have anything at all against you, but you seem to think that martial arts just dies, and people start doing fake martial arts, and it makes no sense what-so-ever.
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