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One hundred years from now, will a computer not be called a computer. There is sure to be much different methods of creating it, which will also be more efficient, but won't it still be a computer?
I guess a calulator should be renamed as a computer.....
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It is the same for the katana. A katana is a style of sword, the time period when it was created doesn't change the fact that it is still considered an katana.
A imitation sword is known as a imitation. The problem is pawning it off as a original. Shaolin training over there is a imitation pawning off as a original playing to the hype
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By your logic, the first sword that was crafted and dubbed the name "katana" would be the only true katana, and all of the katanas used by other generations are frauds.
Per above
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MartialMan, I suggest you change your state of mind. There is no wall between the time periods that you say the last true katanas were made and when they started to not be real. If they are made to be a katana and they fit it's discription, then a true katana it is.
Per above....people at Shaolin are not teaching authentic as they are pawning off something for profit gains that is not even close...
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"This guy went and he trained just as hard as the humans that did 4000 years ago, (Dumbfounded statement)
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Whether or not they make you pay or live with them and train for free isn't relevent as long as the training is real.
(Another dumbfounded statement)"
The fake Katana is real, but not authentic.
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Why do you think you are all-knowing?
Because I dared to stray away from common beliefs, research, and talk to others who have done so.
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"You are wrong in so many ways. .
Typical of people who refuse to look upon something different
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Sorry MartialMan, I don't have anything at all against you, but you seem to think that martial arts just dies, and people start doing fake martial arts, and it makes no sense what-so-ever.
Of course many arts die, and of course many start all over per of course for profit and are not authentic, many are fakes.........
Sure it makes sense.
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
'Of course many arts die, and of course many start all over per of course for profit and are not authentic, many are fakes.........'
They never died!
The art name may not have, but its authentic practice have....so does this make it the same, original art? Or a re-vamp/bastardized one?
Simply, anyone could come across old manuals, old pics, and a old name, etc/. lay claim to teach or reserrect it by stating it had been passed generations.......
Only the naive and gullible would think any art nevered died. Of course some have.
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
The art name may not have, but its authentic practice have....so does this make it the same, original art? Or a re-vamp/bastardized one?
Simply, anyone could come across old manuals, old pics, and a old name, etc/. lay claim to teach or reserrect it by stating it had been passed generations.......
Only the naive and gullible would think any art nevered died. Of course some have.
Anyone that doesn't agree with you, you just say they are naive and gullible. What I am saying is the the art of Shaolin never died, it just evolved to fit present day society. No martial art is done exactly like it was done 2000 years ago, some you might as well say that all of us are fake martial artists, according to your logic.
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sorry but i have to ask MM47.
are you saying that whenever someone says they learned or are learning Shaolin Kung Fu they are part of the hype and they are learning un authentic SHaolin?
if so then that leads me to ask you...do you think everything named "Shaolin" is fake?
which then also leads me to say that that wouldn't be the complete truth, because i am sure that there are at least over 100 masters out there that have been tought the real shaolin and decide to either teach it or keep it in the family and pass it down.
i am not going against you or getting in this argument i am just questioning your logic
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Defending yourself, your beliefs, or your individuality is never easy as it only brings conflict....just look at the news, your school, or a Martial arts forum.....
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Unfortunately, I have been trying to figure out his logic, but he believes that any trace of authentic Shaolin just dissapeared when some people decided to make some money off it.
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Unfortunately, I have been trying to figure out his logic, but he believes that any trace of authentic Shaolin just dissapeared when some people decided to make some money off it.
well we all have our point of views on our own so i see no point in an arguement. I just think we should try to get a better understanding about the other persons POV.
my POV is that yes there are plenty of martial arts scammers out there, not just shaolin. I think also that there are still people out there who don't want to see their art die, or be faked by other scammers, so they teach the authentic Shaolin.
THe thing is, just like all problems, you have to find the truth out yourself, there is no way to judge externally
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An ant on the move does more than a dozing ox.
Lao Tzu
"Be the change that you want to see in the world.. Go confidently in the direction of your dreams. Live the life you have imagined. Our truest life is when we are in dreams awake."
Defending yourself, your beliefs, or your individuality is never easy as it only brings conflict....just look at the news, your school, or a Martial arts forum.....
well we all have our point of views on our own so i see no point in an arguement. I just think we should try to get a better understanding about the other persons POV.
my POV is that yes there are plenty of martial arts scammers out there, not just shaolin. I think also that there are still people out there who don't want to see their art die, or be faked by other scammers, so they teach the authentic Shaolin.
THe thing is, just like all problems, you have to find the truth out yourself, there is no way to judge externally
This I understand. I am well aware of all of the frauds. But it is frustrating to have Martial Man think so one sidedly.
Hey Martial Man, Wikipedia says there are a few hundred smiths in Japan that make "authentic" katanas. They even have an orginization that keeps katana crafting going. Nihontō - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Hey Martial Man, Wikipedia says there are a few hundred smiths in Japan that make "authentic" katanas. They even have an orginization that keeps katana crafting going. Nihontō - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
its a good start but wikapedia can be edited by anybody
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An ant on the move does more than a dozing ox.
Lao Tzu
"Be the change that you want to see in the world.. Go confidently in the direction of your dreams. Live the life you have imagined. Our truest life is when we are in dreams awake."
Defending yourself, your beliefs, or your individuality is never easy as it only brings conflict....just look at the news, your school, or a Martial arts forum.....
its a good start but wikapedia can be edited by anybody
Yes, but if it were wrong, it would be changed. It is an accumulation of everyones knowledge. Plus, they have people check to see if false info is put up. It has been their for a while. You could probably find more reliable sources if you wished.
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True, I was just saying.
I actually like Wikapedia because its easy and full of info
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An ant on the move does more than a dozing ox.
Lao Tzu
"Be the change that you want to see in the world.. Go confidently in the direction of your dreams. Live the life you have imagined. Our truest life is when we are in dreams awake."
Defending yourself, your beliefs, or your individuality is never easy as it only brings conflict....just look at the news, your school, or a Martial arts forum.....
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Sorry MartialMan, I don't have anything at all against you, but you seem to think that martial arts just dies, and people start doing fake martial arts, and it makes no sense what-so-ever.
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