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Hey guys I was wondering if anyone knew anything about Ah Chi Kung Fu because I heard that the style was the core style that lead to the development of Ninjutsu in Japan. Going on what I read about it so far from the internet that it was the style that the Lin Kuei used to train their Chinese versions of ninjas called Kan. I'm going to provide the links that I found about Ah Chi Kung Fu and I wouldn't mind getting some information from the Chinese martial artists with their views on Ah Chi Kung Fu. Thanks ahead of time for anyone that can provide some information on this style.
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I don't get this man, I could swear that Ninjutsu and forms of it are prmaraly grappling arts, and Kung Fu is primaraly striking/parrying. So why does everyone think that Kung Fu influenced every MA on the planet?!?!
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I don't get this man, I could swear that Ninjutsu and forms of it are prmaraly grappling arts, and Kung Fu is primaraly striking/parrying. So why does everyone think that Kung Fu influenced every MA on the planet?!?!
I don't know if kung fu is the base of ninjitsu or not, but you do seem pretty ignorant of kung fu. Kung fu is NOT primarily a striking/parrying art. It is primarily a controlling art. That means all ranges of fighting, including grappling and in most systems some ground fighting. If striking only is taught in a kung fu system, it more than likley is either not a legitimate system or it has been very watered down.
The reason kung fu systems, such as Pao Hua or Shaolin Chuan Fa, are being listed as a base influence on many Asian martial arts is because the kung fu systems have been established as thriving systems before arts in other areas of Asia. Then add the fearsome reputation of both the Shaolin and Taoist fighting monks which made many immulate thier respective arts. The kung fu systems spread from China as they conquered and/or came into contact with other Asian countries.
All this is pretty easy to research and find out. Maybe you should do that before posting in such an aggressive manner...or ask nicely why.
Chad, Chin Na and Shuai Jiao are grappling styles of Kung Fu check out these links about Chin Na and Shuai Jiao you can see the comparison between them and Japanese grappling styles like Judo and Jiujitsu
The grappling aspects of Chinese Martial Arts are not up to speed with the modern grappling arts, sorry but that's just a reality. While the techniques might be similar, they're concentration had long since lost that focus and instead focused more on striking.
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The grappling aspects of Chinese Martial Arts are not up to speed with the modern grappling arts, sorry but that's just a reality. While the techniques might be similar, they're concentration had long since lost that focus and instead focused more on striking.
Depends entirely upon the system and the lineage. The systems I came through, strikes were used to get into range and set up take downs or finishing moves of some kind. A good kung fu school focuses on controlling an opponent, whether that is through strikes, grappling, or whatever.
I will concede that there are a lot of kung fu schools out there that the chin na is sub par and the shia chiao isnt very good either. That is due to the watering down effect that most martial arts suffer. It isn't specific to kung fu. However, to say that kung fu is just a striking art is uninformed.
Kung Fu to me is a good style in the right person's hands just like any other martial art and how well can the practitioner apply the style's technique so that they can win the fight or survive a life or death situation. But back on the subject of An Chi Kung Fu (sorry people typo with the name of the style) I also found some links to some Kung Fu schools that talk about the Lin Kuei and going on what these websites say the Lin Kuei were just like the Triad. They were a band of renegade Shaolin monks that disliked the current dynasty that was ruling China at that time and decided to take back control of China from the current dynasty running China. Check out these links everyone and let me know what do think of the Lin Kuei (not the fake one that Sub Zero from Mortal Kombat belongs to)and their style of An Chi Kung Fu if there was still training available in it.
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True chuan fa systems are very hard to research as there were very little written records referencing them. When I see histories such as these on a system supposedly 1500 years old, I tend to take it with a huge grain of salt. The history is very vague in some areas and a little too specific in other areas for me to believe this is well researched history as opposed to heresay. I could be wrong, but as I said, I take histories like this with a huge grain of salt.
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