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Old 08-13-2008, 05:33 PM   #1 (permalink)

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My brother rented this movie and I am speechless. I just looked up the style in this movie and it's really cool. It's a martial arts/dance that I would love to learn if I could. Has anyone seen this movie?
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Old 08-13-2008, 05:47 PM   #2 (permalink)

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It's starring Mark Dacascos and the martial arts used in the movie is Capoeira, Brazilian/African martial arts. Good movie. I enjoyed it.
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Old 08-13-2008, 06:35 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Yep, seen it.

Me and Torre practice capoeira.

Here have a video. This video is like the first one which comes up on youtube if you type in capoeira, but I still love it. Great mestre, and a great balance of lone footage of the mestre and footage of the roda.
YouTube - Capoeira Mestre
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Yep, seen it.

Me and Torre practice capoeira.

Here have a video. This video is like the first one which comes up on youtube if you type in capoeira, but I still love it. Great mestre, and a great balance of lone footage of the mestre and footage of the roda.
YouTube - Capoeira Mestre
Nice video; I'd have to take the fight to the ground just to keep those guys in one place lol...
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Well the movie captured my attention because I've never seen anything like capoeira before. There is a beauty and grace to it that I've never seen before. I've read only a tiny bit of the history of it and am intrigued by it. I think Mark Dacascos did a excellent job in the movie even if he has no Capoeira training before the movie.
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The fight at the end look good apart from the dancing-like demonstration. I really like to know whether any of the capoeira practioners out there ever use their art in real fights; are they successful in the fight? The dancing and the excessive moves waste a lot of energy to me. Perhaps N.B. and Torre care to enlighten us, pls.
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I watched it when it was released. In one and a half hour it opened the world's eye to the art of capoeira. I was excited to have seen it. I like the end fight that somehow shows that the art is a fighting art after all apart from the dance-like fancy moves. In reality though, can you really use this art on the street? Has any capoeira practitioner ever get involved in a real fight and found that the art does work? Perhaps N.B. and Torre can respond to this and enlighten us. I did practised TKD once, a three minutes sparring session can almost tire me out. How do you Capoeira people cope with all the dancing-like manuavres before even landing a hit on the opponent? From an outsider looking in, what I see is that you are just wasting time and energy. Why don't you just go direct to the opponent?
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If I am not mistaken, Capoeira was created when slaves hands were bound and when they were left alone they took their cultures from their native home lands and used Capoeria to tell stories and to bring the community together. Capoeria is not a big martial art like Karate, Tae Kwon Do or Kung-Fu but it's a dance first and a martial art second. N.B if I am wrong please correct me as I think I got some of that right. I find Capoeria beautiful to watch and would love to learn how to practice it.
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If I am not mistaken, Capoeira was created when slaves hands were bound and when they were left alone they took their cultures from their native home lands and used Capoeria to tell stories and to bring the community together. Capoeria is not a big martial art like Karate, Tae Kwon Do or Kung-Fu but it's a dance first and a martial art second. N.B if I am wrong please correct me as I think I got some of that right. I find Capoeria beautiful to watch and would love to learn how to practice it.
I heard it was a way the slaves could practice all aspects of their culture when fighting was banned.
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I watched it when it was released. In one and a half hour it opened the world's eye to the art of capoeira. I was excited to have seen it. I like the end fight that somehow shows that the art is a fighting art after all apart from the dance-like fancy moves. In reality though, can you really use this art on the street? Has any capoeira practitioner ever get involved in a real fight and found that the art does work? Perhaps N.B. and Torre can respond to this and enlighten us. I did practised TKD once, a three minutes sparring session can almost tire me out. How do you Capoeira people cope with all the dancing-like manuavres before even landing a hit on the opponent? From an outsider looking in, what I see is that you are just wasting time and energy. Why don't you just go direct to the opponent?
I don't think there are many capoeiristas stupid enough to use capoeira in the street, in MMA etc. Those who have usually lose quite quickily, although there may be some exceptions. I guess it would be like a karate or taekwondo practicioner trying to win a fight using only his/her martial arts traditional strikes and stances (eg front stance, back stance, horseriding stance etc).
As for why we don't just kick each other. It's very hard to explain. Firstly; you have to move in time with the music, so if the music is playing slowly you can't just run in and try to beat the snot out of your opponent. Secondly; there are times when it is taboo to try and kick an opponent (for example, when they are doing a headstand with their knee tucked to their chest). So a lot of the dancing you see is actually the mindgames of the two players, which gets more complex the better you are.

Capoeira is so difficult to explain over the internet!

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If I am not mistaken, Capoeira was created when slaves hands were bound and when they were left alone they took their cultures from their native home lands and used Capoeria to tell stories and to bring the community together. Capoeria is not a big martial art like Karate, Tae Kwon Do or Kung-Fu but it's a dance first and a martial art second. N.B if I am wrong please correct me as I think I got some of that right. I find Capoeria beautiful to watch and would love to learn how to practice it.
I made a thread about the possible origins behind capoeira, it might interest you:
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As for how to define capoeira, I don't think anyone really knows. Is it a dance? It is a martial art?
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The way I see it, capoeira was a lot more combat oriented long ago, but since the 1960-s, it has evolved/devolved into something more/less (depends on your point of view). Now it's more of a game and an artform, with the fighting aspect still there, but not so apparent, though there are groups that emphasize it more.

About it's effectiveness: against untrained, unsuspecting people it MIGHT work, against any trained fighter, I don't think so. As a supplemental style for fighters, it could be beneficial, developing flexibility, coordination and balance, but technique-wise, it doesn't have much to offer to an MMA fighter, for example.

Regardless, I still love it and I'm completely addicted to it
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The way I see it, capoeira was a lot more combat oriented long ago, but since the 1960-s, it has evolved/devolved into something more/less (depends on your point of view). Now it's more of a game and an artform, with the fighting aspect still there, but not so apparent, though there are groups that emphasize it more.

About it's effectiveness: against untrained, unsuspecting people it MIGHT work, against any trained fighter, I don't think so. As a supplemental style for fighters, it could be beneficial, developing flexibility, coordination and balance, but technique-wise, it doesn't have much to offer to an MMA fighter, for example.

Regardless, I still love it and I'm completely addicted to it
Even thought it's effectiveness is somewhat debatable, it is my next option for a martial art, once I get a good grip on Judo (Pun not intended), and if there is an opportunity, I will jump to the chance of learning it over anything else.
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Great video, N.B! I don't really care if it's effective or not. I think the techniques are beautiful to watch. Very graceful and rhythmic.


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Even thought it's effectiveness is somewhat debatable, it is my next option for a martial art, once I get a good grip on Judo (Pun not intended), and if there is an opportunity, I will jump to the chance of learning it over anything else.
I can recommend you the group "Cordao de Ouro", the mestre from the video that N.B. posted is a member, their site is: Capoeira Cordão de Ouro London | Capoeira classes with Mestre Poncianinho London | Contra-Mestre Casquinha | Mestre Suassuna

They have the most intriguing, beautiful and acrobatic style of playing I have ever seen.
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I've looked around, and seen nothing local. Besides, I want a bit more time in Judo.
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