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Styles: Cloak and Sabre,longsword style wuthout a name.
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If I wanted to take more hits with a bokken.
I'm not sure wether I can take hits or not,but i am sure that even if I hurt as if demons were bitting my ankles,there is one thing I'm curious about.Since in my style,the left and right clavicle,and the left and right shins are the main targets,how would I be able to improve on taking bokken blows to those areas.
Also,if i had a female student,how can I help her take more pain from blow with a bokken to the neck?I can't exactly sparr effecrtively if I or whoever I teach can take hits to those areas very well,so how would I improve on it?After seeing another thread on taking hits to the face(fist fighting),it made me curious about this.
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"If you want your captive to give you honest answers,do not torture them.If you find out the location of their leader,then attacking the threat from its source."
i am a little confussed about the female question part.... females have a higher tolerance for pain, thus theoretically you should be more concerned about the guys being able to take the pain.....
as far as conditioning yourself goes..... get hit a lot. you can either get use to the pain, train yourself to view pain differently, or deaden the nerves. honestly i have found that most of the pain you experience at first is related to the shock of the event. as i learnt what to expect i dealt with the pain better.
i am a little confussed about the female question part.... females have a higher tolerance for pain, thus theoretically you should be more concerned about the guys being able to take the pain.....
as far as conditioning yourself goes..... get hit a lot. you can either get use to the pain, train yourself to view pain differently, or deaden the nerves. honestly i have found that most of the pain you experience at first is related to the shock of the event. as i learnt what to expect i dealt with the pain better.
I agree, you need to get hit more. In taiji we use the tops of our forearms a lot so I just hit them as often as I can when I'm bored and now they have become quite resilient to hefty blows. Even slapping because it is a different type of pain and it has that sting/shock factor. I hate being slapped more than hit
Styles: Cloak and Sabre,longsword style wuthout a name.
Posts: 779
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Than if thats all its takes,then I can already take a good few hits,maybe.
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"If your opponents sword says hello,greet him with two thunder claps."
"If you want your captive to give you honest answers,do not torture them.If you find out the location of their leader,then attacking the threat from its source."
i am a little confussed about the female question part.... females have a higher tolerance for pain, thus theoretically you should be more concerned about the guys being able to take the pain.....
Its funny you should mention that. Actually this is a myth pervaded by woman and ignorance. There was a huge study involving 200 men and woman in Australia quite a number of years ago. It involved the researchers putting the subjects hands into very hot water, very cold water and then electrical pain stimulation to test target pain threshold. The subject said how long they could hold the increasing intensity until they could hold it no more. Amazingly the guys came out rather on top. Now you are probably thinking the guys were just acting macho which is what I thought too but... Each subject was also wired up to check for brain activity. The woman registered more pain and consequent stress then the men in that respect too.
The result basically means that now men really are uncontestedly physically superior to woman. No brainer considering men hold all the records for athletic acievements. As the hunter gatherer half of the race it makes sense too, considering men had to be able to hack getting an arm somewhat chewed off and then get the meat home.
Styles: Cloak and Sabre,longsword style wuthout a name.
Posts: 779
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Actually,what I ment was the main target will be different on a female than on a male.Buts thats slightly off topic of me so i'll stop there.I mainly just wanted to know how to build up pain resistance in the clavicle and the shins,because my style doesnt use armour.
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"If your opponents sword says hello,greet him with two thunder claps."
"If you want your captive to give you honest answers,do not torture them.If you find out the location of their leader,then attacking the threat from its source."
Its funny you should mention that. Actually this is a myth pervaded by woman and ignorance. There was a huge study involving 200 men and woman in Australia quite a number of years ago. It involved the researchers putting the subjects hands into very hot water, very cold water and then electrical pain stimulation to test target pain threshold. The subject said how long they could hold the increasing intensity until they could hold it no more. Amazingly the guys came out rather on top. Now you are probably thinking the guys were just acting macho which is what I thought too but... Each subject was also wired up to check for brain activity. The woman registered more pain and consequent stress then the men in that respect too.
Will point out that one study of 200 people is not a be-all/end-all to an argument. I actually have no opinion on this subject. I have a very low pain tolerance. My wife's is lower, but she also has a disease that magnifies all pain, so I have no idea the truth of this, as we are a bad pair to explain.
As far as taking hits from a bokken, you'll have to just take more hits. I'm presuming that participants in your style pulls their strikes, since a solid hit from a bokken to the clavicle would shatter that bone.
As for teaching a student to take hits to the neck, I'd be really careful with this. Even if you're pulling your swings, a strike to the neck could become tragic. Or a mis-aimed strike could hit the face. Perhaps not as dangerous, but very painful, especially if the nose breaks.
If you're talking about what we were discussing in another thread, when I was talking about ending with the sword against her throat, I was talking more about letting her momentum carry her into the blade, rather than swing at her. (If that's not what you're talking about, never mind).
Many combat groups that utilize solid wood weapons actually require the wearing of gorgets, (hardened leather or metal collars) to protect the neck.
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"If you confer only with people in your own circle (relatives and friends), their opinions will naturally favor you, rendering them useless." Tsunetomo Yamamoto
"In true dialogue, both sides are willing to change."
Thich Nhat Hanh
Will point out that one study of 200 people is not a be-all/end-all to an argument. I actually have no opinion on this subject. I have a very low pain tolerance. My wife's is lower, but she also has a disease that magnifies all pain, so I have no idea the truth of this, as we are a bad pair to explain.
This is true. However I would point out that the indisputable discovery of penicillins anti bacterial properties started with only one man in one lab with one assistant.
Also I believe the term for feeling more pain is hyperaesthesia but that might not be the actual disease.
As to the topic... Well, as it has been stated, clavicles break. No wait, I like Sirs terminology better, they shatter. So really just avoid it or hold back. If you really want to condition it then fill a little bag with sand and pound it into your clavicle for ten minutes a day. It will slowly change the structure of the spongy tissue inside, although there isn't much of it, and will make a small difference. It will also slowly help to increase bone denisty in the area in general. However by changing the direction of the spongy bone you will weak the bone slightly in the opposite direction so you might find yourself with a broken collar bone after falling over.
Personally, I suggest just being careful. Your call though.
This is true. However I would point out that the indisputable discovery of penicillins anti bacterial properties started with only one man in one lab with one assistant.
Also I believe the term for feeling more pain is hyperaesthesia but that might not be the actual disease.
Agreed. There always has to be a starting point. I've just seen a good number of "proven" ideas that have only been supported by a single small study that have later been thoroughly disproven by a large number of large studies. Not saying that's the case here. As I said, I'm not sure.
The disease that my wife has is called Fibromyalgia. If you are correct about the term, hyperaesthesia would definitely be a symptom of this disease.
The worst thing about Fibro is that they can't pin it down. It has the traits of an auto-immune disorder, a nervous disorder, a hormonal disorder, and a muscular disorder. I could go on about it for pages, but I don't want to hijack the thread any more than I have.
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"I don't have the knack of victory at all times. I have only learned how not to miss the right moment." Kenshin Uesugi
"If you confer only with people in your own circle (relatives and friends), their opinions will naturally favor you, rendering them useless." Tsunetomo Yamamoto
"In true dialogue, both sides are willing to change."
Thich Nhat Hanh
Agreed. There always has to be a starting point. I've just seen a good number of "proven" ideas that have only been supported by a single small study that have later been thoroughly disproven by a large number of large studies. Not saying that's the case here. As I said, I'm not sure.
The disease that my wife has is called Fibromyalgia. If you are correct about the term, hyperaesthesia would definitely be a symptom of this disease.
The worst thing about Fibro is that they can't pin it down. It has the traits of an auto-immune disorder, a nervous disorder, a hormonal disorder, and a muscular disorder. I could go on about it for pages, but I don't want to hijack the thread any more than I have.
For sure, this is the truth of the matter. It could be disproven tommorow for all I know..
Anyways, I am very familiar with fibromyalgia.. One side of my family seems to have a genetic predisposition to it. It is awful. The only thing worse then the disease is the acute treatments. Often the treatment hides the symptoms of the fibro but then presents with the symptoms of the treatment in turn... Well, I'll take the blame for the hijacking then as I can't not respond to something. Bad habit..
Its funny you should mention that. Actually this is a myth pervaded by woman and ignorance. There was a huge study involving 200 men and woman in Australia quite a number of years ago. It involved the researchers putting the subjects hands into very hot water, very cold water and then electrical pain stimulation to test target pain threshold. The subject said how long they could hold the increasing intensity until they could hold it no more. Amazingly the guys came out rather on top. Now you are probably thinking the guys were just acting macho which is what I thought too but... Each subject was also wired up to check for brain activity. The woman registered more pain and consequent stress then the men in that respect too.
The result basically means that now men really are uncontestedly physically superior to woman. No brainer considering men hold all the records for athletic acievements. As the hunter gatherer half of the race it makes sense too, considering men had to be able to hack getting an arm somewhat chewed off and then get the meat home.
That being said I reeeeeeeeeaaaaally like woman
(This thought is based upon long hours of child birthing)
Dang....If I would have posted this it may have gotton deleted in whole or part.
But, the threshold for pain is of the individual.
In actuality, there are counter tactics/methods to withstand pain to those areas.
For example:
Have someone stand relaxed with both arms to the side.
Hook the clavical gently to cause minor pain/discomfort.
Then have the person point their index finger (the side youre going to hook-suggest not the same side).
In other words, have them point their finger to the floor the same arm position to the side. Tell them to concentrate on the finger pointing to the floor.
Hook the clavical on that side....the pain wont be there or as drastic.
As for clavical/shin preparation.
Clavicle; Body build the muscle around the area
Shin; Tap them on a padded post or door way.
I dont recommend either they are extreme and not necessary in training as future situations become different.
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
The only major physical difference as far as taking hits that I know of between men and women is that men tend to have a slightly easier time taking hits to the head as a result of an alleged bigger cushioning around the head. I have no idea if this is true or not.
Personally, instead of learning how to take hits with a bokken I would rather learn to avoid/block bokken hits as bokkens are supposed to be simulations of swords. And I don't care if you are male or female, you simply can't learn how to stake a hit from a sword.
If I wanted to take more hits with a bokken.
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