I got a question about training in the elements.

[Lone Ronin SBK]

I was wondering how good an idea it is to train in an elemtal system.

eight now I organized my system into basics,like:

The elements of Fire and Earth combine to form:Vinara
The elements of Lighting and Water combine to form the element of Rotexa.
The elements of Wind and ice combine to form Qeferra.


Is it generally a bad idea to form attacks based on these elements.Because a lot of the special moves I teach are based on this.


Everything is is in some form composed of these elements.Vinara forms all that is strong or brave,but
has a tendecy to be rash and Arrogant.Rotexa forms all that has a
clear head,and thinks rationally,but has a tendecy to be weak.
an Qefera has the advantage of both,but has an opposite but equel
disadvantage.

My pulis must master all to have true insight into the universa,and become one with the planet.


Is forming moves based on this a far fetched idea?

[sannin227]

No offense, but typically when a style says that moves are part of an elemental type sounds like a huge scam. What style do you teach anyway?

[Magister]

Originally Posted by Saber and buckler King

I was wondering how good an idea it is to train in an elemtal system.

eight now I organized my system into basics,like:

The elements of Fire and Earth combine to form:Vinara
The elements of Lighting and Water combine to form the element of Rotexa.
The elements of Wind and ice combine to form Qeferra.


Is it generally a bad idea to form attacks based on these elements.Because a lot of the special moves I teach are based on this.

Everything is is in some form composed of these elements.Vinara forms all that is strong or brave,but
has a tendecy to be rash and Arrogant.Rotexa forms all that has a
clear head,and thinks rationally,but has a tendecy to be weak.
an Qefera has the advantage of both,but has an opposite but equel
disadvantage.

My pulis must master all to have true insight into the universa,and become one with the planet.


Is forming moves based on this a far fetched idea?

The idea itself is not at all far fetched. The universe is divided into polarities, which we have discussed in various different threads on this forum. Martial Arts such as Xing Yi Quan has five basic punching techniques which are the elemental techniques in the Xing Yi Quan system. Due to Chinese Mysticism, these five techniques are equated to the Chinese 5 Elements.

In Bare-knuckle boxing (the ancester of Modern Boxing), there were 5 punches; the straight, the cross, backfist, the "hammer" fist, and the uppercut. Each one is based upon using the arm (which is a hinge joint) in 4 dimensions and 6 directions. These five punches could, in theory also be equated to the Chinese 5 Elements. The problem with this is the Elements are not definitive. In Ancient Greek Religious rites, there were 4 elements(Water, Fire, Earth and air). In Norse mythology, the elements were Water, Fire, Earth, Air and Ice- strangely enough). Today, modern science dictates that there are 3 "elements", which are infact States of Matter - Gas, Liquid and Solid. Each has the same base properties, it is more the arrangement of the material withint them which denotes the State. For example, Water can be all three states of matter.

The reason why I say this is that equating the use of elements in this way does not infact relate to nature and such pneumonic naming of the martial arts techniques does not enhance the practiciality of the system, it simply adds to the dogma and the superstition.

If you wish for your pupils to "master all to have true insight into the universa,and become one with the planet." it would be better to get them to study the universe itself rather than ritual enforcing motifs.

Having said that, you are heading in the right direction by thinking about the martial arts with this much dedication. This development of yours actually reminds me of my own creations in my youth. Keep on the same path and eventually you will reach a deeper understanding behind the martial arts and the truth.

[Lone Ronin SBK]

Thanks for both of you/And I apologies if it sounded like a scam.I'm not particularly a money type person.


I was just curious,and thanks so much.

Oh and sannin,if you refferring to those money makers.what the are doing is ripping poeple off by teaching supposed spells.I don't meen element in a literal since like flames.

I'll try my best to find the truth,and leave the rest to Ooare Ashura.Thank you.^_^

[47MartialMan]

I only like ONE element

[Lone Ronin SBK]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

I only like ONE element

May I ask wich one,good sur.

[Little Dragon 117]

THis is interesting, I never heard of a elemental fighting, except in the movies, or in Avatar. but i know what you mean now when you say elemental figthing, like with your body. Other people i know try to think they can do it like a sci-fi way and actually use the elements. But, this would be interesting to see i guess. Can you upload any pics of you demonstrating what you teach?

[Lone Ronin SBK]

Originally Posted by Little Dragon 117

THis is interesting, I never heard of a elemental fighting, except in the movies, or in Avatar. but i know what you mean now when you say elemental figthing, like with your body. Other people i know try to think they can do it like a sci-fi way and actually use the elements. But, this would be interesting to see i guess. Can you upload any pics of you demonstrating what you teach?

Sure,I hope you know you will not actually see the flame,earth,water.ice,or thunder,but manefested in the personality.For example one must take on the power of fire.the flexibility of water,fast as the lightning,and calm as the wind and Ice.

I'll have to upload it into photobucket,and paste it.But I'll try.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Saber and buckler King

May I ask wich one,good sur.

The "Element of Surprise"

[sirdarksol]

Too bad I saw that one coming a mile off.

An interesting concept, and, as Magister said, not all that odd. At least one sub-school of Shorin Ryu teachings "Wave" and "Lightning" moves, one is slow and based on redirection, the other is fast and direct.

[N.B]

I like the Fifth Element, great film.

I think there was a thread about that Avatar thingy, and all the different elemental Kung Fu's.

Found it: Avatar Elemental Kung Fu Styles

[47MartialMan]

I guess with a little imagination, one can create a move off anything.

[Lone Ronin SBK]

I'm going to upload a picture today if possible to show you what I meen.

Some poeple natural have certain flaws,for example someone
might have a tendicy to blow up a even the smallest thing.They
would need to build up their weakness of being clam like the ocean,and the wind.

Some poeple have a tendicy to be passive,and have poeple
walk all over them.This is also bad,for one must also learn to be assertive,without causing conflict.

someone might have a tendency to be manipulative, calculative,and just down right cold.They need to learn
to be more like fire and water.


They main goal,is to be in perfect harmony with all these elements,think rationaly and plan ways to ascert your rights,without causing needless pain or death.

[47MartialMan]

Some people have a tendency to mispell words out of being tensity.

[Lone Ronin SBK]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Some people have a tendency to mispell words out of being tensity.

What's with all the insults comming out of you lately.You know your not irritating me,so why try?