Pads or No Pads Sparring?

[TRIANGLEFROMGAURD]

Originally Posted by souldrum71

In kyokushin, no pads means absolutely NO pads at all.

Yes but it also means no punches to the face.

The question is, what are you trying to gain from your sparring or, what are you sparring for? If your main goal is to do point or continuous sparring competition then pad it up. No pads however is also very sketchy at best. Vale tudo for instance is no pads full contact but, again when striking with just the bare fist you sustain more damage to the knuckles and to the wrist and, you really don't do anymore damage to the opponents body in fact you do less. MMA and boxing gloves are designed to protect the strikers hands not your opponents face as opposed to say Macho sparring gear or Century.

Boxing and MMA gloves allows me to hit my opponent much much harder and also spreads the concusive force of the impact over a wider area. If you want to see the physics behind this in action all you need is a fish tank, strike the tank bare knuckle, you'll see a small kind of weak ripple in the water. MMA, 4oz - 5oz glove, or boxing glove, 12oz - 14oz hard leather fight glove, you'll see a much more intense ripple that covers a far large area. This increased concussive damage is what leads to a boxer being punchy.

I despise head gear with face shields for anything but, children or weapon fighting. People with shields become over confident and ignore things like jabs.

At my gym we train for MMA competition and, yes I know that in the street Godzilla can eat you and a bunch of other stuff like polar bear ridding ninjas attack you which totally makes my training methods useless but, just check it out. We train with open palm MMA training gloves which are 7 to 8 ounces. The foam in these is an open cell air forced foam which makes it slightly softer then closed cell foams which are used in regular MMA gloves. Meaning less damage from impact. You can wear head gear if you want, most don't. This allows us to train for everything in an MMA fight at about 70 to 80 percent contact which includes ground and pound. Yes their are still some bloody noses and black eyes but no broken bones really and most importantly you don't really get rocked. You can get a quality pair of MMA training gloves from Top Contender for about $30, Combat Sports makes a good pair for $50 and Fairtex also makes a pair for around $70. I like the Top Contender one it's cheap and holds up pretty well.

Cheers and good luck training.

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

Yes but it also means no punches to the face.

The question is, what are you trying to gain from your sparring or, what are you sparring for? If your main goal is to do point or continuous sparring competition then pad it up. No pads however is also very sketchy at best. Vale tudo for instance is no pads full contact but, again when striking with just the bare fist you sustain more damage to the knuckles and to the wrist and, you really don't do anymore damage to the opponents body in fact you do less. MMA and boxing gloves are designed to protect the strikers hands not your opponents face as opposed to say Macho sparring gear or Century.

Boxing and MMA gloves allows me to hit my opponent much much harder and also spreads the concusive force of the impact over a wider area. If you want to see the physics behind this in action all you need is a fish tank, strike the tank bare knuckle, you'll see a small kind of weak ripple in the water. MMA, 4oz - 5oz glove, or boxing glove, 12oz - 14oz hard leather fight glove, you'll see a much more intense ripple that covers a far large area. This increased concussive damage is what leads to a boxer being punchy.

I despise head gear with face shields for anything but, children or weapon fighting. People with shields become over confident and ignore things like jabs.

At my gym we train for MMA competition and, yes I know that in the street Godzilla can eat you and a bunch of other stuff like polar bear ridding ninjas attack you which totally makes my training methods useless but, just check it out. We train with open palm MMA training gloves which are 7 to 8 ounces. The foam in these is an open cell air forced foam which makes it slightly softer then closed cell foams which are used in regular MMA gloves. Meaning less damage from impact. You can wear head gear if you want, most don't. This allows us to train for everything in an MMA fight at about 70 to 80 percent contact which includes ground and pound. Yes their are still some bloody noses and black eyes but no broken bones really and most importantly you don't really get rocked. You can get a quality pair of MMA training gloves from Top Contender for about $30, Combat Sports makes a good pair for $50 and Fairtex also makes a pair for around $70. I like the Top Contender one it's cheap and holds up pretty well.

Cheers and good luck training.

I'm beginning to get a man crush on TRIANGLEFROMGUARD, this is dead on accurate.

Have you guys ever watched old school UFCs or Vale Tudo events? Ever notice how the fighters would be punching a guy with his right hand then as the fight progresses he switches hands? Despite what it may look like in the movies, you stand a very good chance of breaking your hand if you punch someone in the face without gloves on. You also increase the chance of cutting your opponent without gloves on. IMO...if you are REALLY training self defense or MMA you are foolish not to use gloves of some kind. Head gear is optional, but I personally am WAY too good looking to get my face all beat up.



Trivia: Do you know who was the first person in UFC to use gloves?

[souldrum71]

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

Trivia: Do you know who was the first person in UFC to use gloves?

I may be wrong, but I think it was Tank Abbott. He was the first one I saw using gloves in either UFC 5 or 6.

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by souldrum71

I may be wrong, but I think it was Tank Abbott. He was the first one I saw using gloves in either UFC 5 or 6.

Bingo! You win the shiny new car! When asked why he was wearing them he said it was so he could keep hitting people without breaking his hands. Smart guy.

[TRIANGLEFROMGAURD]

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

I'm beginning to get a man crush on TRIANGLEFROMGUARD, this is dead on accurate.

Have you guys ever watched old school UFCs or Vale Tudo events? Ever notice how the fighters would be punching a guy with his right hand then as the fight progresses he switches hands? Despite what it may look like in the movies, you stand a very good chance of breaking your hand if you punch someone in the face without gloves on. You also increase the chance of cutting your opponent without gloves on. IMO...if you are REALLY training self defense or MMA you are foolish not to use gloves of some kind. Head gear is optional, but I personally am WAY too good looking to get my face all beat up.



Trivia: Do you know who was the first person in UFC to use gloves?

Thanks man, the feelings totally mutual. Don't judge us guys!!! we just like going to the spa and drinking mimosas, is that so wrong

Damn you've stumped me, there was that boxing guy in UFC 1 that wore one 12oz glove but, I don't remember who first wore grappling gloves. Dan Sevran maybe?

[TRIANGLEFROMGAURD]

Damn it Tank!!!!!!!!! You fat F#*%&^#%TY*

[marksmarkou]

Originally Posted by Lone Ronin SBK

I honestly prefer to go without.if the students doesnt know when to hold back, he is not let into the school. In fact you don't have to be taught self control, I think your born with it or your not. So thats makes training without the pads a little safer. Also I stop an inch or two before the bokken hits them.

I respect what you say, and if its your opinion to not let people train because they cant hold back then that fair enough, but accidents do happen and would it not be safer to wear pads just in case. If your controlling your blows then it wont do any harm, but will protect from accidentals blows, especially if your training with bokkens

[Silv3r]

^we don't get to spar with bokken. i'd like to though

at my school, if your under 18 you have to wear headgear. i don't see anything really wrong with that. you don't have to wear a lot of other pads though if you don't want to. i don't wear forearm pads or knee pads like some of the people in my class.

[TRIANGLEFROMGAURD]

What are fore arm pads?

[WC_Lun]

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

What are fore arm pads?

Similiar to what some football players wear on thier elbows. They defeat the purpose of conditioning the forearms, and really don't stop strikes like round kicks from hurting when you block them wrong. But hey, some people need a crutch...

[TRIANGLEFROMGAURD]

Originally Posted by WC_Lun

Similiar to what some football players wear on thier elbows. They defeat the purpose of conditioning the forearms, and really don't stop strikes like round kicks from hurting when you block them wrong. But hey, some people need a crutch...

Oh, is it like that martial armor stuff? If I trained in that gear and I saw myself like in the mirror, I would have to kick my own ass just on general principal.

[Sensei Tom OBrien]

In the AAU the kids under 12 yrs. old must wear face shields in competition. Over 12 head gear is optional. The adults usually don't wear anything except gloves. I don't like the face shields. I think it gives a false sense of security. I like the face shields for full contact Arnis, Escrima or kali (Filipino stick fighting).

Thanks,
Tom

[47MartialMan]

"Back in the Day", pads didnt existed. All we had werer mouth pieces to keep us from biting ourselves.

[TRIANGLEFROMGAURD]

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

Yes but it also means no punches to the face.

The question is, what are you trying to gain from your sparring or, what are you sparring for? If your main goal is to do point or continuous sparring competition then pad it up. No pads however is also very sketchy at best. Vale tudo for instance is no pads full contact but, again when striking with just the bare fist you sustain more damage to the knuckles and to the wrist and, you really don't do anymore damage to the opponents body in fact you do less. MMA and boxing gloves are designed to protect the strikers hands not your opponents face as opposed to say Macho sparring gear or Century.

Boxing and MMA gloves allows me to hit my opponent much much harder and also spreads the concusive force of the impact over a wider area. If you want to see the physics behind this in action all you need is a fish tank, strike the tank bare knuckle, you'll see a small kind of weak ripple in the water. MMA, 4oz - 5oz glove, or boxing glove, 12oz - 14oz hard leather fight glove, you'll see a much more intense ripple that covers a far large area. This increased concussive damage is what leads to a boxer being punchy.

I despise head gear with face shields for anything but, children or weapon fighting. People with shields become over confident and ignore things like jabs.

At my gym we train for MMA competition and, yes I know that in the street Godzilla can eat you and a bunch of other stuff like polar bear ridding ninjas attack you which totally makes my training methods useless but, just check it out. We train with open palm MMA training gloves which are 7 to 8 ounces. The foam in these is an open cell air forced foam which makes it slightly softer then closed cell foams which are used in regular MMA gloves. Meaning less damage from impact. You can wear head gear if you want, most don't. This allows us to train for everything in an MMA fight at about 70 to 80 percent contact which includes ground and pound. Yes their are still some bloody noses and black eyes but no broken bones really and most importantly you don't really get rocked. You can get a quality pair of MMA training gloves from Top Contender for about $30, Combat Sports makes a good pair for $50 and Fairtex also makes a pair for around $70. I like the Top Contender one it's cheap and holds up pretty well.

Cheers and good luck training.

In case you forgot this answers all of your questions

[47MartialMan]

A little protection allows a long workout