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06-09-2008, 08:01 AM
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| Black Belt I
Join Date: May 2008 Location: Tampa, Fl Styles: Shu Do Kan KarateDo
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Home Country: | It sounds to me as though you currently train in Tae Kwon Do, and your oponent also trains in Tae Kwon Do?
I have to assume that is correct. I have sparred many opponents that did this move to me. I know how frustrating it can be. My own son (doesn't listen to me) has this happen on a regular basis.
There are a cpl ways to deal with an opponent such as this. I don't know your tournament system or rules though. So I don't know what is allowed. Please take all of my advise with a grain of salt and pick whatever works for you.
1) He is kicking with the right leg with a Mawashi geri (round kick). Step in with your left foot, push block at his KNEE with your right hand. If he is kicking to your middle, then punch over your right arm at his face. If he is kicking high, punch UNDER your right arm with your left hand at his solar plexus or stomach.
2) Go to his backside. His left leg is on the ground, and his right leg is in the air. Be faster than he is. It really isn't that hard. Once he chambers that leg, move to his backside (your left in this scenereo) and punch his head or kidneys.
3) Take the warning. If someone is doing something to me that I am having a problem getting around, I will on occasion do something that will earn me a warning from the ref. A sweep for example. If a tigertail sweep is not allowed, but you're really good at it, then do it. The ref won't give you a point, and will most likely tell you not to do it again, but...Your oponent will be less likely to allow himself to be put into that position again. Especially, if he gets the wind knocked out of him in the process.
4) Play YOUR game, not his. Don't worry about what he is doing as much as you are concerned with what you are doing. Free your mind, and don't obsess on what he is doing. If all you can think of in the match is "Oh great, there he goes. His leg is chambered. I've lost" Then you can't think of ways around it OR what to do if he doesn't utilize it. Free your mind and think of the present, not of the past. you've already done the past and you can't change it. You can LEARN form it, but you can't change it. You can't think of the future, because it isn't here yet. You can plan for it, but it is not a certainty. Think about what is going on in the present. HE goes to lift the leg, jamb it before he gets it chambered with one hand while you punch him with the other. |
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06-09-2008, 09:33 AM
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| Blue Belt
Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Minnesota Styles: Taekwondo
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Home Country: | Just a thought...
Have you tried stepping inside his kick range, rolling up and giving him a reverse side-kick to the chest, ribs or stomach?
Im thinking if you kept stepping back to get him to advance, then pull something like above, you might nock him down.
But perhaps you have tried this already. |
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06-09-2008, 10:12 AM
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| Master III
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Originally Posted by complete This does sound familiar. We had this guy in our class, pretty tall with his "crazy leg" would just do what you described. And it worked against most of the guys except for someone more experienced. The "better" fighter was able to side step to strike or also use his limber legs to throw the axe kick against the crazy leg's raised leg to either knock down the leg or use it strike the body. | That was a wierd term/name; "Crazy Leg". I imagine a Oglala Lakota with a gi.
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
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06-09-2008, 10:33 AM
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| Black Belt II
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Home Country: | Have you tried angeling off and using a front push kick?
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06-09-2008, 10:36 AM
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| Master III
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Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD Have you tried angeling off and using a front push kick? | "Front Push Kick"??????? 
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
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06-09-2008, 10:41 AM
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| Black Belt II
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Originally Posted by 47MartialMan "Front Push Kick"???????  | I gave both common names. Why confused?
MUAY THAI TECHNIQUES: push kick thaiboxing
Muay Thai “push kick” sometime also called ” The Front Kick”
used , but usually it don’t give serious damage to the other fighter , but it might give you some point and could get some psychological damage to the fighter .
It could hurt if it directly goes to the stomach
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06-09-2008, 10:49 AM
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| Master III
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Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD I gave both common names. Why confused?
MUAY THAI TECHNIQUES: push kick thaiboxing
Muay Thai “push kick” sometime also called ” The Front Kick”
used , but usually it don’t give serious damage to the other fighter , but it might give you some point and could get some psychological damage to the fighter .
It could hurt if it directly goes to the stomach | I had the idea. I was looking for you to explain it so that other folks may.
The "Front Push Kick" - is this the same as the "Front Thrust Kick"?
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06-09-2008, 11:02 AM
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| Black Belt II
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Originally Posted by 47MartialMan I had the idea. I was looking for you to explain it so that other folks may.
The "Front Push Kick" - is this the same as the "Front Thrust Kick"? | Maybe I'm not sure but, it is a thrusting not a snapping kick.
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06-09-2008, 11:05 AM
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| Black Belt II
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Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD Maybe I'm not sure but, it is a thrusting not a snapping kick. | Ala Semmy Schilt vs Pete Williams?
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06-09-2008, 11:05 AM
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| Master III
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Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD Maybe I'm not sure but, it is a thrusting not a snapping kick. | A snap kick, whereas the leg is recoiled as fast as it was launched...?
Thrust/Push kicks can be grabbed easier?
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
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06-09-2008, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Joemoplata Ala Semmy Schilt vs Pete Williams? | Do you have a vid or pic of this?
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06-09-2008, 11:16 AM
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| Black Belt II
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Originally Posted by Joemoplata Ala Semmy Schilt vs Pete Williams? | Yeah, it's the only front kick a Muay Thai fighter will throw, either with the front or back leg. 
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06-09-2008, 11:21 AM
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| Master III
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Home Country: | Back? Per Side kick?
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses' 'MMA fighters are testosterone filled egomaniacs.' - joemoplata they are also filled with babarian creme
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06-09-2008, 12:05 PM
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| Black Belt I
Join Date: May 2008 Location: Tampa, Fl Styles: Shu Do Kan KarateDo
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Home Country: | Mai Geri
We do both depending upon what the timing and the circumstances call for. However, I don't think that a mae geri would do the trick in this instance guys. This is just me speaking here: If he is trying to fight a kicker with kicks, and this kicker has shown that he can and will out kick him, then it would probably be in his best interest to either start getting better at kicks OR, use the other white meat (or defense), punches. I LOVE sparring against tae kwon do practitioners. Most of them (not all, but most) keep their hands down by their waist, and don't know how to react when I crowd them and punch at them. It seems (most of the time) that if I am close enough to punch them, then they can't get a kick fired off at me because I'm too close. Just my experience. Now, I HAVE had a FEW (1 possibly 2) that could still operate with me crowding them. But it was futile anyway. LOL |
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06-09-2008, 12:28 PM
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| Black Belt II
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Originally Posted by 47MartialMan Back? Per Side kick? | No Muay Thai does not stand side body like some other arts, so for an orthodox(right handed fighter) front would be your lead left leg back would be your base right leg.
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