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04-28-2008, 11:42 AM
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Home Country: | Best Defense Against Multiple Kicks I've been losing first place in the point sparring division to the same opponent for the past three open tournaments, and it's starting to bug me. He uses the same strategy to get around my defenses and jam up my offense. He basically stands on his left leg with his right leg held high up to the side. The guy is very limber, and, from this position, he can repeatedly snap round kicks to the head and chest. In past competitions, we weren't allowed to just stand with one leg up like that unless we were actually throwing a technique, not chambered for one.
So my question is this: What's the best way to get around an offense/defense like that? I tried blocking his leg hard and throwing my own round kick under his leg and up to his head. This worked once, but I also hit him in the groin.
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04-28-2008, 11:45 AM
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I assume this is striking only?
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04-28-2008, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Joemoplata Souldrum,
I assume this is striking only? | LOL Yes, it's striking only. I can imagine your strategy as a grappler though. A guy standing on one leg for 30 or 40 seconds would be a nice target for a shoot in takedown.
Oh, and I should add that the main reason this type of kicking isn't allowed in my school's tournaments or regular sparring matches is because it's a really bad habit to get into if you're going to be using your MA skills for self defense.
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04-28-2008, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by souldrum71 LOL Yes, it's striking only. I can imagine your strategy as a grappler though. A guy standing on one leg for 30 or 40 seconds would be a nice target for a shoot in takedown.
Oh, and I should add that the main reason this type of kicking isn't allowed in my school's tournaments or regular sparring matches is because it's a really bad habit to get into if you're going to be using your MA skills for self defense. | Bummer, I can be of little help to you my friend!
I know in some other types of sparring tournaments they allow throws and/or leg sweeps for points.
And yeah, you want to actually stand on one leg for me in a "fight"?
Thank.
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04-28-2008, 01:17 PM
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Home Country: | Well, Souldrum, I've already given you my advise so I'll let others give you there's!
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04-28-2008, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by souldrum71 I've been losing first place in the point sparring division to the same opponent for the past three open tournaments, and it's starting to bug me. He uses the same strategy to get around my defenses and jam up my offense. He basically stands on his left leg with his right leg held high up to the side. The guy is very limber, and, from this position, he can repeatedly snap round kicks to the head and chest. In past competitions, we weren't allowed to just stand with one leg up like that unless we were actually throwing a technique, not chambered for one.
So my question is this: What's the best way to get around an offense/defense like that? I tried blocking his leg hard and throwing my own round kick under his leg and up to his head. This worked once, but I also hit him in the groin. |
I would move in with my leg checking his and jam from close range.
Using my leg to prevent his from extending
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04-28-2008, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 47MartialMan I would move in with my leg checking his and jam from close range.
Using my leg to prevent his from extending | I second this. Come forward with a lot of forward power too ( stance power not striking power as I understand the limitations of that in a tourney ) He'll fall back. Do that a couple of times and he'll be completley out of his game...his hands will probably be down as well. Second choice is thrust kick to his chambered leg. |
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04-29-2008, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 47MartialMan I would move in with my leg checking his and jam from close range.
Using my leg to prevent his from extending | Quote:
Originally Posted by WC_Lun I second this. Come forward with a lot of forward power too ( stance power not striking power as I understand the limitations of that in a tourney ) He'll fall back. Do that a couple of times and he'll be completley out of his game...his hands will probably be down as well. Second choice is thrust kick to his chambered leg. | You're giving me similar advice from what Lady Fighter has suggested. She said I should charge with an ax kick that is aimed at his head but would probably fall on his leg as he extends it. And, yes, he doesn't use his hands much if at all, so I could pummel him with punches from close range.
So the concensus seems to be that I need to jam that extended leg and close the range for strikes. Correct?
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04-29-2008, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by souldrum71 You're giving me similar advice from what Lady Fighter has suggested. She said I should charge with an ax kick that is aimed at his head but would probably fall on his leg as he extends it. And, yes, he doesn't use his hands much if at all, so I could pummel him with punches from close range.
So the concensus seems to be that I need to jam that extended leg and close the range for strikes. Correct? | That's what I would do. Also, since he is on one leg, if you jam that chambered leg I don't see how he'd not going to be off balance and in recovery mode. Just where you want him!  |
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04-29-2008, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by souldrum71 You're giving me similar advice from what Lady Fighter has suggested. She said I should charge with an ax kick that is aimed at his head but would probably fall on his leg as he extends it. And, yes, he doesn't use his hands much if at all, so I could pummel him with punches from close range.
So the concensus seems to be that I need to jam that extended leg and close the range for strikes. Correct? | Jamming and getting in close is the general thought.
But I was saying to leg check (with your leg) his. Sort of like in Vsing Tsun, when one checks the others arm by pinning it.
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04-29-2008, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 47MartialMan Jamming and getting in close is the general thought.
But I was saying to leg check (with your leg) his. Sort of like in Vsing Tsun, when one checks the others arm by pinning it. | Leg checks are against the rules, so I can't make it obvious that that is what I'm doing. Hence, the idea to use an ax kick.
Oh how I wish leg checks or kicks were allowed. That's how we sparred in kyokushin, and I just love putting some solid shin kicks to an opponents thighs.
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04-29-2008, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by souldrum71 Leg checks are against the rules, so I can't make it obvious that that is what I'm doing. Hence, the idea to use an ax kick.
Oh how I wish leg checks or kicks were allowed. That's how we sparred in kyokushin, and I just love putting some solid shin kicks to an opponents thighs. | Yeah, the leg check would have to look "accidental"...I've practiced two to look this way...
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06-08-2008, 02:14 PM
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Home Country: | I agree with the above. Try and move into close range so he cant kick, if that fails you could try a sweep to his supporting leg dropping your body low towards to floor as you sweep. Also just back off from him. His not going to be standing on one leg the entire fight. As soon as it comes down quickly move in to a closer distance and whilst attacking
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06-08-2008, 11:07 PM
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Home Country: | I agree with what already has been said, also if he is stood on one leg, you should be able to moe around him faster, try to come in at him from a off shot angle. |
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06-09-2008, 12:18 AM
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Home Country: | This does sound familiar. We had this guy in our class, pretty tall with his "crazy leg" would just do what you described. And it worked against most of the guys except for someone more experienced. The "better" fighter was able to side step to strike or also use his limber legs to throw the axe kick against the crazy leg's raised leg to either knock down the leg or use it strike the body. |
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