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Old 07-12-2008, 07:30 AM   #1 (permalink)

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Thumbs up Josh Barnett on Lifting for MMA

Bit of a long read but worth it for anyone intrested in weight training.

The work in question here is not 9 to 5, clerical, labor, busy or normally classified as work in general. The work I'll ramble about today is work in the gym or lifting weights. Oh, so because you do BJJ, Kickboxing or some other "Martial Art" you have now put-off or even perhaps shunned weight lifting or strength training? What's that? Your Sensei/Professor/Sifu/Guro/Swami has you do ancient martial breathing and a few body weight exercises so you don't need to lift weights? Same "Amazing Kresskin" says, "Lifting weights will make you big and inflexible and less able to deflect chi attacks"? All of that is **** and when push comes to shove being bigger, stronger and faster always means something. Always.

I here so much talk about technique conquering all and to practically sacrifice athleticism for technique in sparring. While I can certainly agree that technique is a very crucial and vital aspect in martial arts, I always preach: "Technique within strength." This means that if you lack the strength or athletic ability to make said techniques work, then you are bound to fail. I have witnessed and been subject to countless times when the more skilled technically athlete is unable to execute simply because they were not strong enough or fast enough or both.

This is were strength training becomes vital and by strength training I don't just mean hopping into your local iron works, doing some bodybuilding and thinking you're building the foundation for success. I mean building raw, usable, explosive power that you can execute over and over again throughout a match without tiring. It also means gaining size in lean mass and dropping excess fat…well as much as some of our genetics allow sometimes. This kind of training is not the sort of thing you will find on the shelves in muscle mags or in books on bodybuilding; which is why I am here to throw some light on this.

First off I'd like to say that bodybuilding training is not useless to the combat athlete. Why? Because bodybuilding builds strength, size, looks (Don't kid yourself, it's important.) and most importantly because in our sport often we end up in positions where limbs become isolated and we are unable to recruit a lot of other muscle groups to help. Where bodybuilding training can help is in strengthening muscle groups in isolated exercises and certain small muscles that may be bypassed by larger, stronger movers in more power/explosive movements. For example, the rotator cuff muscles. Bodybuilders spend time working these muscles to give their shoulders the perfect symmetry and shape but because they are a small muscle group, exercises like overhead pressing will recruit more from the delts, triceps, pecs, and other big movers leaving the rotator cuff underdeveloped. When I trashed my shoulder, all the time I spent working my rotator cuff helped me from tearing them to and having even more surgery done.

As combat athletes thought the most beneficial work will be gained from explosive full body movements, heavy power work, endurance circuit training and above all: Always working with intensity. Without intensity you will not even come close to pushing your body to the limits and over. When you compete your opponent will do all they can to stop you from doing what you want to do and work as hard as they can to force their strategy on you. This is not a waltz or even lindy hop, this is muscle against muscle and at high intensity. Training should mimic this and with intensity you will be able to break through what you think are your limits. Intensity is "attacking" the weights, not just hoping to lift them. Intensity is using the same force to accelerate 40lb dumbbells as you would to move 80lbers. Intensity is going for one more rep then you think you can, one more set or more than your partner.

For combat athletes I can't stress enough that grip training is crucial in this. I don't let the people I train nor do I use straps 95% of the time. You want a grip that can crush and hold like a vice. Nothing says manhandled like having someone with a monster grip grab you and jerk you around the mat.

Another important aspect is speed. Get in and get out. Don't waste all day between sets as your opponents won't give you that much time to rest. Plus, the more work you do over a length of time the more work you will have accomplished. If you lift 400lbs once in 5 minutes you will have done less work than if you had lifted 200lbs 10 times in that same time span. I take about 20-45 seconds rest between sets usually. Rest between circuits is a different animal though. At Lou's, I will get 2 minutes to rest but I spend 11-14 minutes working…and that's going balls-to-the-wall, at the top of my anaerobic threshold. Didn't I say something about intensity?


Some of my favorite movements for this kind of training are:

-Deadlifting and squatting because nothing builds raw power like these two exercises.

-Olympic lifting such as cleaning, snatch, high pulls, clean and jerk push presses. These can be done with a barbell or with dumbbells which can add a lot of diversity to your training.

-Pull-ups and dips. I know when I am strong by how many pull-ups I can knock out. Dips are another great power builder and both can be done with weight by simply using a belt harness or even by crossing your ankles and having your partner put a dumbbell between your legs.

-Dumbbell pressing. Flat bench, incline, overhead you name it.

-Strongman (Thanks Tim) and unorthodox lifting. Log pressing, stones, sandbags, sleds, bands, tires, axels, ropes, Indian clubs, the Macebell, hammers. Moving weight in multiple planes, dead weight, and full body work. These are true tests of power and are a great way to make lifting fun.

Ok, so you have some exercises in mind now what do you do with them? Therein lies the fun and some of the most difficult part of the equation. How you put together your training is crucial. Opinions most certainly vary and even mine could take more pages than I am willing write. But we'll keep it simple, point you in the right directions and give you a place to start from.

-Variety. Not just in movements but in changing your routines on a regular basis. I usually won't do the same exercises from week to week and focus more on what muscle groups or concepts I want to work and just make it up when I get there. Variety can also be creating cycles of specific training, for example: Doing a power lifting program for 4 weeks, then an endurance/speed program for 2 weeks and then back to power lifting again.

-Supersetting. I love to superset. Not just like movements or exercises that hit the same areas but opposites as well. One of my absolute favorites is Westside Barbell Club's "Push and Pull" method (Nod to Tim Nagy for showing me this). I will do pull-ups with dips or push-ups. Or maybe bent-over rows with overhead presses. Of course your classic superset like barbell curls with preacher curls is still valid and can be great for building endurance and over taxing the muscle groups. I include drop sets in this kind of thinking although not something I do much of.

-Circuits. Non-stop movement from one exercise to the next is a great way to build endurance, power and increase your anaerobic capacity. You can design your circuits around specific groups or say to simulate rounds for competition. If you can blitz throw circuits of 5 minutes pushing towards your limits then when on the mat or in the ring fatigue should at least be something to not be concerned about.

-Splits. I like a 3 day a week split, my brother-in-law Pat who was a competitive power lifter used to have us do 4 day splits. I have some fighters doing only 2. The main thing is you need to have rest in between your training and there is still time to be put in on the mats. Sometimes you may dial back mat time to improve strength and therefore use some of the time you would have been at the dojo resting. Other times you need just the opposite. For some it's about time management but either way you can't not go at all or go everyday.

And to address stretching this is so simple: Just do it. Who said lift but don't stretch? I have heard so much ignorance from folks saying oh I can't lift weights because I will get stiff and lose flexiblility. Yeah, because your dumb ass stopped working on flexibility. Flexibility allows you to be stronger and faster, period. Extreme examples that counter that stupid notion of weight lifting decreasing flexibility is many of the pro bodybuilders who are way bigger than any of us will likely ever be who can do the splits and more. When Bob Sapp was 370lbs with abs he was more limber than I was. And on a side note (this mostly applies to women) I hear the "I don't want to get big". Guess what? You won't. Unless you have the genetics or are really putting in the effort to do so it won't be a real problem. Trust me.

Last thing to say is that in the end this training is designed to augment and help your combat training. Nothing can take the place of that. Your technique is key but with the added strength and power behind it now you have increased you success rate several fold. Also, when all things are equal whoever is stronger or gets it first wins. Now go throw some iron and rip an arm off or two!

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Really cant argue with any of that. If youve ever competed in any sport at all then this should be common knowledge. Unfortunately many martial artists havent been privy to this information.
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Oh, so because you do BJJ, Kickboxing or some other "Martial Art" you have now put-off or even perhaps shunned weight lifting or strength training? What's that? Your Sensei/Professor/Sifu/Guro/Swami has you do ancient martial breathing and a few body weight exercises so you don't need to lift weights? Same "Amazing Kresskin" says, "Lifting weights will make you big and inflexible and less able to deflect chi attacks"? All of that is **** and when push comes to shove being bigger, stronger and faster always means something. Always.

I here so much talk about technique conquering all and to practically sacrifice athleticism for technique in sparring. While I can certainly agree that technique is a very crucial and vital aspect in martial arts, I always preach: "Technique within strength." This means that if you lack the strength or athletic ability to make said techniques work, then you are bound to fail. I have witnessed and been subject to countless times when the more skilled technically athlete is unable to execute simply because they were not strong enough or fast enough or both.
I dont think you should lump all these arts together when you say they dont encourage lifting. BJJ, at least in my school, encourages us to lift. I think every guy in my class lifts or does other sports. And I know the MMA, boxing and MT at my school all encourages lifting as well.

I am not so sure about that second paragraph. I would assume a technically skilled athlete is strong and fast. A technically skilled fatso would not be and I dont consider a lot of martial artists athletic. Just because they have a blackbelt or can do a kata doesnt make them athletic. That is also why sparring is so important. You need to be able to use your techniques against people who are stronger and faster than you. In bjj you cant advance unless you can do that.
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I dont think you should lump all these arts together when you say they dont encourage lifting. BJJ, at least in my school, encourages us to lift. I think every guy in my class lifts or does other sports. And I know the MMA, boxing and MT at my school all encourages lifting as well.

I am not so sure about that second paragraph. I would assume a technically skilled athlete is strong and fast. A technically skilled fatso would not be and I dont consider a lot of martial artists athletic. Just because they have a blackbelt or can do a kata doesnt make them athletic. That is also why sparring is so important. You need to be able to use your techniques against people who are stronger and faster than you. In bjj you cant advance unless you can do that.
Just to clear i did not write this article eventhough i agree with it.

you have to remember all schools are not like yours. many schools tell people not to lift as are afraid they might loose students.

it is about balance between techniques and strength training. on their own can only go so far but together go along way.

also remember many people believe myths about weightlifting. Such as making you slower of losing flexiblility
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I dont think you should lump all these arts together when you say they dont encourage lifting. BJJ, at least in my school, encourages us to lift. I think every guy in my class lifts or does other sports. And I know the MMA, boxing and MT at my school all encourages lifting as well.

I am not so sure about that second paragraph. I would assume a technically skilled athlete is strong and fast. A technically skilled fatso would not be and I dont consider a lot of martial artists athletic. Just because they have a blackbelt or can do a kata doesnt make them athletic. That is also why sparring is so important. You need to be able to use your techniques against people who are stronger and faster than you. In bjj you cant advance unless you can do that.
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But in the striking arts such as TKD it will take a bit athleticism to do the more advanced kicks and stuff like that.

To use BJJ in your example really doesnt make sense. Its whole premise is technique over muscle so of course its a requirement.

In TKD on avg its hard for a fighter to face an opponent of equal technique but more speed/strength and win. And in lots of cases technique can just be overpowered. Hence low color belts beating much higer color belts or even black belts in sparring, which by most accounts of the board is unheard of in BJJ and the like.
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you have to remember all schools are not like yours. many schools tell people not to lift as are afraid they might loose students.
I doubt any bjj or mma schools tell people not to lift.

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To use BJJ in your example really doesnt make sense. Its whole premise is technique over muscle so of course its a requirement.
It is technique over muscle but its also muscle and weight when technique is fairly even. Thats why lifting is encourage, to make us stronger.

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In TKD on avg its hard for a fighter to face an opponent of equal technique but more speed/strength and win. And in lots of cases technique can just be overpowered. Hence low color belts beating much higer color belts or even black belts in sparring, which by most accounts of the board is unheard of in BJJ and the like.
Let me get this right, are you saying that TKD technique isnt very valuable because strength and power will overcome it? So why practice the technique then? Wouldnt just plain weightlifting be a better fighting technique?

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Just to clear i did not write this article eventhough i agree with it.
I do agree with a lot of the article as well. He brings up a lot of good points. I am not so sure I agree with the clean and jerk presses though, even if done correctly, you can get hurt doing them and I wouldnt recommend those to anyone without a trainer. +1 on the squat and deadlift though. They are the best two exercises a person can do. Same goes with pull ups. I am not a fan of dips though, they put too much stress on the AC joint and I have a bad one.

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Let me get this right, are you saying that TKD technique isnt very valuable because strength and power will overcome it? So why practice the technique then? Wouldnt just plain weightlifting be a better fighting technique?
Thats not what I meant. I meant in comparison to BJJ its a whole lot easier for technique to be overpowered. From my understanding upsets via experience/technique dont occur very often in BJJ. However in striking arts they happen very very often.

You can have a tecnically perfect kick with perfect aim, but if you are too slow physically to hit your target then you are screwed.

I personally advocate being as strong and as fast as possible while still being as active as possible in perfecting your technique.

For some people sloppy technique with very good athleticism can win lots of sparring matchups. For a lot of people the opposite is true. But for people with good athletcism and good technique their odds of winning are better than both of the previosly mentioned groups. IMHO anyway.
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For some people sloppy technique with very good athleticism can win lots of sparring matchups. For a lot of people the opposite is true. But for people with good athletcism and good technique their odds of winning are better than both of the previosly mentioned groups. IMHO anyway.
I agree its better to have BOTH techniqal understanding and physical skills. I do think if your technique is overwelmed by strength then a person should review thier technique. I know for many this sounds like another martial arts myth, but at a certain level its not about strength and in fact, if a person's muscular power is not applied correctly, then it is fairly easy to use against them. This isn't something a person learns how to do in a week, but it should be the goal of at least traditional martial systems. Again, I'm not saying physical skills aren't useful and helpful, but everything being equal, understanding and technique trump physical skills.
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It is technique over muscle but its also muscle and weight when technique is fairly even. Thats why lifting is encourage, to make us stronger.



So you're saying, when strength is equal, the one with more technique will win. But when technique is equal, the one with more strength will win, but the person with more technique will usually win.
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So you're saying, when strength is equal, the one with more technique will win. But when technique is equal, the one with more strength will win, but the person with more technique will usually win.
how about the person who a better fighter will win.

technique nor strength make you a good fighter, and becasue you have them does not mean you know the basics of fighting. you can have all the technique you want but if you go up against someone who is simply a better fighter than you then you are out of luck. same with strenght. i have many times seen a very strong person lose to a weaker person becasue they were not as good of a fighter.

really it can go eaither way

you need technique,power,speed, and to be a good fighter...
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I personally advocate being as strong and as fast as possible while still being as active as possible in perfecting your technique.
I agree. Strength and speed are absolutely important.
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So you're saying, when strength is equal, the one with more technique will win. But when technique is equal, the one with more strength will win
Generally, this is where I would put my money....but then again, anything can happen
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I am not so sure I agree with the clean and jerk presses though, even if done correctly, you can get hurt doing them

no you get hurt doing them wrong. you can get hurt doing squats or deadlifts wrong.

lifts dont injure people.
people injure themselves by doing stupid things.

I would advise getting a trainer before doing any olympic or powerlifting.
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how about the person who a better fighter will win.

technique nor strength make you a good fighter, and becasue you have them does not mean you know the basics of fighting. you can have all the technique you want but if you go up against someone who is simply a better fighter than you then you are out of luck. same with strenght. i have many times seen a very strong person lose to a weaker person becasue they were not as good of a fighter.

really it can go eaither way

you need technique,power,speed, and to be a good fighter...

Personally I was lumping "fighting ability" into technique, but I guess that would be rather inaccurate. Although one would hope that in your training hall while they are teaching the correct ways to kick, punch, etc...they are also teaching you about range/distancing, response reflex, and timing.
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