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Ok guys...Here it is....I have to admit that in this video, I end up doing a couple things...One I look completely goofy....two, my 11 y/o son is my camera man, so he cuts off my head a bit in the video at most of the time. LOL three, due to going slow motion, I almost end up falling on my butt. four, I actually make the mistake of grabbing the "sharp" side of the blade on at least one occasion. This is due to the fact that the person will likely have a broken arm/dislocated elbow by that time. But here you go anyway. If it doesn't embed correctly, then I'll post a link to the youtube thing of it in a minute.
GRRRRR!!!!!!!
The embedding feature didn't work right...PLUS, my upload to youtube apparently didn't work....GRRRR I'll get it later this evening.
I wouldn't have reversed direction on him. It seems like it is more awkward for the defender than for the attacker. Plus it always strikes me as better to have someone's chest on the ground.
Styles: Western Boxing, Tai Chi, Animal Form Kung Fu, and Wing Chun
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I agree with Chapel on this. If you take them down chest first you are getting to a complete control position faster and your opponent is at a worse position to counter with thier other limbs. It my opinion, the only reasons it should be reversed is if they step out to stop the face plant or to place thier own knife against thier throat.
Actually, in real time, it works much better to not reverse on them even if they DO step. The reversal is an addition to the main move which is isolating the arm. I have used this defense in the dojo MANY times while using marking knives, and I haven't gotten "cut" yet. It works very well when you have multipul attackers also. When you have their arm isolated, they are like an armour suit. No-one wants to stab their friend (who is in front of you), and the person you have ahold of is in an arm bar which resluts in a broken arm if they struggle too much. I'm afraid to try the faceplant thing with any students as it could be perminantly damaging to them if they fall on their face or head instead of their chest.
Complete, You'll have to give me some instruction as to how to embed these things. I tried and I failed.
Styles: Western Boxing, Tai Chi, Animal Form Kung Fu, and Wing Chun
Posts: 4,509
Home Country:
I figured part of the reversal was to keep the young man from getting hurt. Teach him to be comfortable with front break falls!
When it comes to fighting I'm of the thought that quicker to the end is better. I'll reverse direction on a throw or flow to something else, but only if there's a good reason for it. I want the altercation to end NOW and with me walking away. I see too many martial artist try to do too much in an exchange making what they do worthless. I understand there was a point to your reversal, just want to explain my reasoning a bit further.
I don't have any techniques that I favor over another, but I always try to use the first person as a shield, isolate the hand the knife is being held in, and disarm them as quickly as possible. I also try to disarm them in such a way I end up with the knife, so I can use it against anyone else coming in. Attackers start thinking a lot more about going in to cut you when they have to face a similiar threat, even when in a practice situation.
My experience with knife defense is that when teaching in the dojo you use a one or two step technique for the attacker and then the application of the defense. You know what and how the attack will be applied. This works great in a controlled environment such as the dojo. However, on the street the defense for these techniques rarely work. Not that learning and practicing one step defense does not have its usefulness if you are fortunate enough to have someone attack you in this manner or you are able to capture an arm or hand of the attacker. (This would be very rare.) I included myself when I say that when you are a young black belt just starting out teaching or starting your first dojo you rely upon what you have been taught and believe that you have been prepared to teach. Only later in life do you learn that many techniques that you have been taught do not work. I’ve seen many black belts young and old that teach one step defenses but lack the knowledge to see how inadequate the techniques really are. I speak from one that has had first hand experience from my training in law enforcement and from my combat in Afghanistan. Please, I do not mean to offend any one but to many instructors give a false sense of security to their students.
The whole flying and being indestructable thing comes with that very elusive black belt.
Wow, I can teach you how to do that stuff in like three classes. Just got to pay a million up front. No refunds.
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Originally Posted by Draven
In practice trying not to get stabbed is nice but in practice doing crowd control in the Army, rushing the attacker throws them off guard. In many cases a person will draw a weapon to intimidate more then actually use. So when you rush in on them, you have two most common responses; they either draw away or freak out and attack.
Technique wise, strikes work good to distract. Your highly unlikely to catch the hand when they thrust at you. Ironically, few people know that a stab is more fatal then a slash.
Been in a few knife fights and have had lots of buds in the army, gangs and security. I know very few instances where catching the knife arm was the fight decider. Of the fights I've been in and heard of the knife wielder was subdued by an unseen strike to unprotected body parts. This is simply because many knife wielders focus on defending their weapon and can forget that they can be taken down elsewhere.
As for the stabs being more fatal that slashes I've gotta agree with that. I've been slashed quite a few times and walked away fine. Getting stabbed is another matter all together.
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Originally Posted by Hajilee
To speak of knife defense and weapon defense. I think it is extremely important to point out to students that their fists and feet will never compare to using a weapon.
I know this point is arguable. But if you had the goodluck to pull a baseball bat from an attacker in a large confrontation. What would you rather use to fight the rest of them. Your fists or your handy dandy baseball bat?
I agree completely. In Kali, we trained with weapons before we trained empty hands because we had to become as proficient at fighting as quickly as possible. Fighting enemies (especially armed ones) is a lot easier when you're also armed.
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Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD
In MMA training we do a similar drill but with real F'N KNIVES!!!!!!! you pansies. RIP Johnny we miss you bro!!!
Seriously we don't do any knife training.
Seriously though, don't use real knives (or any weapons) in sparring unless both you and your partner are experienced and willing to get hurt (and you both know it). I once sparred with a student who claimed to be proficient with weapons, I took him at face value and he ended up in hospital with a six inch slash wound across the side of his neck. I shudder to think what would have happened if I didn't have better control.
Hey Them, just to let you know it is easier to read your posts if you use the multi-quote button. Simply click the 'Multi-quote' button on each post you want to quote and then hit 'Quote' on the last one. It is a very cool feature that this forum has, so I try to encourage as many members as possible to make use of it. (Although few do.)
Hey Them, just to let you know it is easier to read your posts if you use the multi-quote button. Simply click the 'Multi-quote' button on each post you want to quote and then hit 'Quote' on the last one. It is a very cool feature that this forum has, so I try to encourage as many members as possible to make use of it. (Although few do.)
As one of my instructors used to say, the easiest way isn't always the best way. That and I suck with computers. Last posting I did I accidently used spellcheck and it changed all my TMAs (Traditional Martial Arts) to TNAs (a wrestling site I used to look at).
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