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I am not looking forward to them mutilating that style. Did any of you see the pathetic attempt at Savate???? It was horrible. That was by far the worst showing I've ever seen.
I did see that episode and man did that little dude get his lunch eaten!!! it was hilarious. And the sad part about this is that I missed that hapkido episode. Did they do it any justice?
I finally watched the Hapkido episode. I haven't taken Hapkido but I've taken Hwa Rang Do, and some of the kicks and techniques were very similar.
Something I realized watching episode that I didn't see when I saw other episode with Silat, Kukyushin Karate, and Savate. That is, I can see some weaknesses in the way they were fighting. Can't say whether it's the style or the how the people were practicing this particular style. If the final sparring were a real fight, I think both Doug and Jimmy would've easily beat their opponents trained in Hapkido.
First of all, both Doug and Jimmy were in much better shape than any of the typical blackbelts in any system who's just doing it as part time/hobby level. Second, even though neither Doug nor Jimmy were efficient at those fancy kicks, they were much better at moving around and looking for openings.
I'm only saying this because I was able to see due to my familiarity with the style, that I couldn't see from other styles but I'm sure they all equally apply. (Even though Doug and Jimmy lost by points in many of the episode playing by their respective style's rules, but overall they are better trained and better fighters in real life)
I'm more of a believer now that training in multiple styles will give you more insights into pros and cons of each style and help you get better as an overall fighter.
I am a big practitioner of Hapkido and it IS the user that would render this style more ineffective than others. it's a very practicle style of martial arts, but there is more to learn in this style than what most schools teach.
I also agree with you about learning multiple styles. I have had many friends and students ask me which style or technique I thought was the best, and I simply answer them with "all of them". The difficulty in studying the different styles too closely to each other is to do your best not to 'combine' the styles while your learning them. Learn them in their true form and then see how the techniques can be adjusted to fit you better after you are able to master or at least understand the basic principles of each style you've learned.
I've studied Tae Kwon Do, Tang Soo Do, and Hwa Rang Do, so I'm very familiar with the Korean style. Although each art has grappling techniques, the emphasis is certainly more and kicks and punches, and joint locks (HRD, and probably HKD as well)
I love the kicking part of the Korean style. I personally haven't been in a fight or sparring where I was taken down but I can see unless I'm well prepared, it could easily happen against a well trained grappler.
I've been forced to fight two attackers at the same time and grappling did play a part in my ability to survive it. Also, counter grappling skills helped. I believe I was also lucky that me actually fighting back suprised them and slowed down thier initial attack somewhat. I think leaving yourself open for strikes from one person is not an efficient means of defense against two people. 10 seconds is a very long time to take unmitigated punishment. I also don't believe going to the ground is the safest thing to do in such a situation. You might be forced to the ground, in which case you'd better know some ground fighting, but purposely going there seems to be putting yourself at a distinct disadvantage until you can get the first guy choked out.
Trust me, if the fight is on the ground I am at an advantage especially if the other guy has no concept of grappling. It's really not that difficult to completely control someone who doesn't know what they are doing.
Also, I didn't say I would leave myself open to strikes. What I said was that I would only leave my back open for strikes. If you want to punch me in the back of the head go ahead...I don't mind. I know how and what to cover up to protect against a KO. You might get in a couple shots but I'm still coming at you. When the fight is over I might be standing there with a black eye but I will be standing.
Trust me, if the fight is on the ground I am at an advantage especially if the other guy has no concept of grappling. It's really not that difficult to completely control someone who doesn't know what they are doing.
Also, I didn't say I would leave myself open to strikes. What I said was that I would only leave my back open for strikes. If you want to punch me in the back of the head go ahead...I don't mind. I know how and what to cover up to protect against a KO. You might get in a couple shots but I'm still coming at you. When the fight is over I might be standing there with a black eye but I will be standing.
A little over-confident there, are you......
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
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I fully trust that you know how to grapple. You sound very knowledgable on the post I have seen. However, leaving the back open is not a good idea. The back of the head, especially at the base of the spine is a very bad place to be hit and can cause unconsciousness. Then you have the kidneys, which if are bruised can be incredibly painful, to the point of incapacitation in a lot of people. Being struck in the spine can cause instant paralysis and/or make you pass out. There are also numerous pressure points on the back that can cause a lot of pain and even seal the breath if struck correctly. This is my opinion and take it as such, but any "plan" that includes leaving yourself open for unmitigated strikes is faulty.
You are a ground fighter so I assume you know some stand up grappling as well. I believe a better approach would be to use your grappling skills to keep one attacker between the other until you can incapaciate one with strikes, a break, or throw. Granted, against two attackers anyone is at a big disadvantage.
I fully trust that you know how to grapple. You sound very knowledgable on the post I have seen. However, leaving the back open is not a good idea. The back of the head, especially at the base of the spine is a very bad place to be hit and can cause unconsciousness. Then you have the kidneys, which if are bruised can be incredibly painful, to the point of incapacitation in a lot of people. Being struck in the spine can cause instant paralysis and/or make you pass out. There are also numerous pressure points on the back that can cause a lot of pain and even seal the breath if struck correctly. This is my opinion and take it as such, but any "plan" that includes leaving yourself open for unmitigated strikes is faulty.
You are a ground fighter so I assume you know some stand up grappling as well. I believe a better approach would be to use your grappling skills to keep one attacker between the other until you can incapaciate one with strikes, a break, or throw. Granted, against two attackers anyone is at a big disadvantage.
Oh I agree that anyone facing two attackers is in a bad place. My opinion is that you do whatever it takes to avoid any physical altercation ANYWAY, but in this situation you either talk your way out or turn and run. By no means am I saying that I think I'm bad ass enough to beat up two dudes!
While I do agree that back of the head is not ideal, it's a little safer than the front. A LITTLE. Obviously you don't want to get hit at all, but if I have to take a shot I will try to make it go where I want it to go, not where my opponent wants it to go. My description of the fight is obviously not full proof....I was really just trying to detail what my instincts would be. Might work, might not.
But to answer yoda, I MEAN 47MartialMan: I am confident that against most people who want to fight me I can be safe. By that I mean I think I can do well to not get hurt. That being said, I know from experience that I can also keep people where I want them most of the time in a fight and pick and choose how violent I want it to be. If I want to break someone's arm who has never seen a straight armlock it's really not very hard to do it. So I would say I am confident, maybe I am indeed over confident but the only way we could say for sure would be if I get jumped by two guys on the way to my car tonight and I get my ass kicked.
Which could totally happen, BTW and trust me, I would be the first guy to come on here and tell you guys cause it would be funny considering that trash talking I been doing!!
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I get my ass kicked on the mats just about everytime I train my friend, don't worry about that! Again, I would just say that you guys just need to feel what it's like to have someone own you on the ground. It's not like getting mauled standing up where you always have a punchers chance (which I have trained, BTW). When you got someone on you whom you cannot get off of you and is just toying with you you realize how effective a good grappler can be. And since I know 90% of the world can't grapple I know that I have an advantage in that area. And I also know that it's not that hard to get to that range of fighting.
I would rather have to fight someone significantly better than me at striking than someone just slightly better than me at grappling.
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Obviously, one's experience is gauged upon not how well they can do or have done, but also on how one was defeated, not just in training, but in realism. There are other factors of a win, besides physical, as well as factors of losing, that consitutes experience to a higher degree.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
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I get my ass kicked on the mats just about everytime I train my friend, don't worry about that! Again, I would just say that you guys just need to feel what it's like to have someone own you on the ground. It's not like getting mauled standing up where you always have a punchers chance (which I have trained, BTW). When you got someone on you whom you cannot get off of you and is just toying with you you realize how effective a good grappler can be. And since I know 90% of the world can't grapple I know that I have an advantage in that area. And I also know that it's not that hard to get to that range of fighting.
I would rather have to fight someone significantly better than me at striking than someone just slightly better than me at grappling.
I have grappled and know what its like not to be able to do anything against someone better than me in BOTH grappling and striking. Its the same frustration, but it also is a good chance to learn.
Too many people limit themselves to preconceived notions of what is real. This goes for people who strike, grapple, train for sport, train for self-defense, or all of the previously mentioned. Examples would be a striker who thinks he is just going to knock out a grappler when they come in with no knowledge of how the grappler will do so. The same could be said for a grappler who thinks they'll never be knocked out by a striker while going for a take-down because of the assumption the striker doesn't understand grappling. I believe you train to cover all aspects of fighting and what could happen in a fight to be as prepared as possible. Assume the guy you have to fight is very good at everything until you know different. To do otherwise is to either train for a sport ( which there is absolutely nothing wrong with ) or train for something other than reality.
Obviously, one's experience is gauged upon not how well they can do or have done, but also on how one was defeated, not just in training, but in realism. There are other factors of a win, besides physical, as well as factors of losing, that consitutes experience to a higher degree.
Your attempts at divine wisdom come across as hackneyed my friend. You can sit and read **** out of a fortune cookie all day but I'm a results oriented individual.
When it comes to the "Martial" part of Martial Arts I have one thing to say:
Show me.
Don't talk about it. Don't give me scenarios. Don't sit down and pull on your beard and give me yin/yang speeches. Show me.
Without that you got nothing.
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Your attempts at divine wisdom come across as hackneyed my friend. You can sit and read **** out of a fortune cookie all day but I'm a results oriented individual.
When it comes to the "Martial" part of Martial Arts I have one thing to say:
Show me.
Don't talk about it. Don't give me scenarios. Don't sit down and pull on your beard and give me yin/yang speeches. Show me.
Without that you got nothing.
Because we are on a forum, we have only our words.
Your words seem to reflect how good you are. However, your words are just as any other. So, why dont you stop talking about anything, if words are meaningless to you. Since your own words could be seen as meaningless by others.
Since you are a "results individual", then you shouldnt be wasting your time and words on a forum. If you are one for being shown, and not taken upon words, then you dont belong on a forum. IMHO.
A forum is a reflection of words coming from posts, which are opinions.
We all have our opinions rather we disagree or agree.
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
You are an amateur forum user compared to my expertise in this area I assure you. Your time on here I am sure has been a lot of fun for you, it allows to vicariously live the fantasy life of a true warrior that you wanted to be but never found. I mean, internet warriors are a dime a dozen. I am sure that a lot of people here were even easily swayed by your perceived intelligent ramblings.
I will be sure to invite over some of my friends to your dear, little forum. We have fun with guys like you who need to be brought out as the fraud that they are.
Me, I came on here to advertise my school and found a time warp back to 1992 so I felt that I just HAD to say something. I intend to bring as much of these people out of the haze of nonsense that TMA guys like you have been spouting for decades.
So really, I encourage you to flame away. Bring it on. Compared to some of the trolls I deal with on my other forums you will be a breeze.
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